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What is lifeforce, then?


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What is lifeforce, then?


Chi is supposedly the spirit inside you, your soul...


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I just need to know what Khell considers it, before I can vote.


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That doesn't matter, since it doesn't change the fact that it's soul power...


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He could argue it as something else, otherwise it's magic. And basically can't be used for anything that isn't passive. Therefore I couldn't vote for him.


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Chi is life-force... everyone is capable of developing it... not magic and not standard bodily electrical energy

it's special option number 3


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Is it explainable via science?


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Is it explainable via science?


i doubt it.... if it was Doom would be using it all the time..... it's more of a focus/training thing.... like Iron Fist, he doesn't use magic but he's big into Chi

most real life martial arts experts talk about focusing their Chi (not those fifteen year old black belts.... i mean real experts who've studied their whole... long...lives)


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What is Chi?
Scientifically speaking, chi is generated in the human body by the mitochondria in the form of chemical to electrical energy. Each cell has its own "battery" per say in the mitochondria.


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Chinese doctors and acupuncture practitioners get trained in how to feel the chi in the different channels in the body.

WILLIAM KAPLANIDIS: Western science has already noticed that certain acupuncture points have different electrical resistances than areas just around those points, so they know there is something special there. Western science has mapped out currents in the body that are separate from the nervous system current, for example. So they've gotten pieces of it and can explain parts of how it works, but they haven't gotten the whole picture yet from a Western, technological point of view.


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What is CHI? Chi is "life force" or "electricity" in the body and all living objects. The reason Chi has so many definitions is because there is no one word in the english dictionary that fully translates from the Chinese or Japanese words for Chi.


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What is Chi? Chi is the electromagnetic field generated by a body, be that body inert (or seemingly ... See About Electricity.)


Hmmm.....


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I think special option number three pretty much describes it.

And the Force would be special option number four.


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well i'm no Chi expert... but in comics it seems semi-mystical


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can i vote?


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can i vote?


Did you read everything thus far?


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i havent concluded my decision yet, but im just wondering if i can vote since i just registered in september


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Wow, Chi madness. Yeah, Chi's fine...it was a central part of a few characters and nobody complained then. And it might be vague, but magic it ain't. The only thing I limited in this fight so far was Khell remotely manipulating objects or actions, a direct form of TK (not sure if he tried this, but Nat mentioned something along these lines). The Chi-focusing and whatever benefits it might bring is fine.


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i havent concluded my decision yet, but im just wondering if i can vote since i just registered in september


No.


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Originally posted by DrDoom101
i havent concluded my decision yet, but im just wondering if i can vote since i just registered in september


That's a negatory then. My apologies, but the last date for voter eligibility was July 31. I realize you're interested and you're not one of the "I registered today and feel like voting for no good reason" people, but breaking the rules at this point wouldn't be fair to the participants.

But feel free to make (brief) comments on the match as you see it.


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It helped when Batman beat his ass. smile

And teleportation won't help much, especially in this fight. You'd have to teleport around the meat and stuff.

Remember, this is a giant meat locker.


Show me where batman beat his ass.

LOTDK 63? Where batman ran away and tricked a crazed azrael? That was a hell of a beating.


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If you can move your blast mid shot, how is that not TK? If you can manipulate your shield, how is that not TK? You are using your mental abilities to manipulate something without actually being in contact with me.

I'm sorry, how IS it TK? It's energy manipulation. Chi was approved by Digi, my guy just happens to be able to do more with his than, say, Iron Fist. And, I'm not manipulationg you, I'm only manipulating my own energy, in the form of a shield and blades from the shield and blasts of destructive energy

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If your shield is energy, and you say lightsabers only can't go through it because of the heat, then why not use my normal sword? If that can't pierce your shield, then dare I say that the shield is overpowered? I mean, immune to energy, immune to heat, immune to metals, jeez, what can break through it, big wads of feces?

It can be broken, but the limit is titanium. You're basically hammering on a big sphere of titanium with that sword. I just don't think you're strong enough, not that my shield is unbreakable.

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Explain to me how your enhancements are the equivalent of being able to sense movements as they happen, with the ability to react within the time it takes the movement to actually be done. It's like this;

I (Me personally) am trying to throw a ball into a hoop. You move it as I throw and I miss. Loki is trying to throw the ball into the hoop, he senses your body as it begins to move the hoop (That fraction of a second it takes your muscles to react to your neural impulses) and is already throwing where he has calculated you're moving the hoop. Swish.

Okay. I have a computer in my head that can plot out every conceivable angle you could shoot from. It's tactical engine maps out at least one countermove to every possible move you can physically make. My sensors check your body, just to make sure you're average or above average or enhanced human in strength. Once you start moving, you elimiate options, until you've narrowed it down to only a few options.

Now, the second you move, I move with you. My nervous system has been enhanced so that my reaction time is far far FAR above normal human, and my bones and ligaments are all strengthened to cope with the strain of moving and changing direction int he blink of an eye.

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The only thing that you can come close to surprising me with would be a teleport, as the instant you are gone I no longer know where you are, yet the System is letting me focus so completely on the force that I sense you behind me the instant you are there. Considering my guy isn't going to just be standing around as you move, I'll definitly be in an awkward position for you already, and it only takes a fraction of a second to rearrange myself.

Teleporting is a last ditch thing in this fight. I won't be hopping all over like that time. And, the Force isn't much good when you see ten or so big nasty chi spikes coming at you before you can dodge.

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Your guy dodges as well as Daredevil? Dachande puts Daredevil to shame. Going toe to toe with a pack of aliens would put DD down in seconds, the fact that they swarm, all attacking with claws and tail, even four aliens is 12 limbs you have to worry about.

No, no. ONE of the people in my amalgam dodges as good as Daredevil. Not the amalgam himself. Midnighter would put DD down in seconds, even if he was only peak human strength.

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And any energy blast will do melting and/or concussive/piercing force depending on the type of blow it is. Lightsabers will be able to rend the force-field, though the field would slow them somewhat and possibly take more than one blow to break.

Actually, the piercing effect in, say, lasers comes from heat. Light has almost no kinetic impact, and you can't melt through an energy field. Same with plasma. Plasma does it's damage because it heats inorganic things tot he point of fracture almost instantly and causes steam explosions when it hits flesh. Neither of those is an option with my field. It's the same with a lightsaber unless someone shows me a link that says different.

The one lightsaber link that WAS posted seemed to say they did their damage by melting/burning as well. Now, there will be a physical impact from the lightsaber, but with the heat factor eliminated, it all depends on the strength he can bring to bear. And I say he can't hammer through what is as strong as a titanium sphere on pure strength(he's like... class four or five to my class 30). But, it's for the voters to decide if they agree with me or not.

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Plasma caster DOES have kinetic energy, it's blown off doors of buildings, knocked people back, destroyed vehicles, all depending on the charge.

You manipulating energy mid flight is no different then me using the force to control my lightsaber when it's far away from me.

The System is exactly like what you have, it turns Azrael into a 100% focused machine. He simply reacts to everything with the best possible move he has, add the force and it's like giving a chess player the opponents next move a turn in advance so he can prepare for it.

A big sphere of titanium won't last long at all vs my burner or my plasma caster, nevermind my glaive, which can slice through alien carapace like nothing, the wristblades, which have gone through 10cm of reinforced steel like butter, my sword which has cleft a tree roughly three feet in diameter with no effort.

You still havent responded to me using your shield to move around you, if you use spikes (Which are overt TK) I can use them like handholds for a gymnest and swing around you. You may be stronger than me, but you bring nothing to this fight my guy hasn't faced, and overcome, before.


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