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Originally posted by long pig
Is it explainable via science?

the closest things to an explaination reguarding chi are all contingent upon theories... technically there is no known scitentific explaination that's been able to be proven.


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Originally posted by Nataku8188
Plasma caster DOES have kinetic energy, it's blown off doors of buildings, knocked people back, destroyed vehicles, all depending on the charge.

Yes, it does carry a minor kinetic impact, but not enough to threaten my shield Plasma does most of it's damage with heat, not impact. And, honestly, out of the three examples you just gave, two of those could easily be explained as being the effects of plasma's massivegreat del of heat. When plasma hits flesh, it creates so much steam, so fast, that it basically explodes. And vehicles run on flammable liquids in rather thin containers.

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
You manipulating energy mid flight is no different then me using the force to control my lightsaber when it's far away from me.

Did you look at the scan? The blast was stil coming from his hand, so he was still connected to it. Not the same thing as controlling a lightsaber from a distance at all.

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
The System is exactly like what you have, it turns Azrael into a 100% focused machine. He simply reacts to everything with the best possible move he has, add the force and it's like giving a chess player the opponents next move a turn in advance so he can prepare for it.

Yes, except the system require focus. Midnighter can have a chat, play a card game, untangle christmas lights or whatever while allowing his scanners and computer to plot the most efficient way to to eliminate every conceivable threat in the area. Simply put, I can do more than you can.

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
A big sphere of titanium won't last long at all vs my burner or my plasma caster, nevermind my glaive, which can slice through alien carapace like nothing, the wristblades, which have gone through 10cm of reinforced steel like butter, my sword which has cleft a tree roughly three feet in diameter with no effort.

"Burner" Even the name implies it's just a heat weapon. Alien carapace? Well, it's tougher than human skin obviously, but its not even bulletproof, so that's not too impressive. The wrist blades aren't long enough to reach me through the shield, and getting your hand too close to that energy just means you're risking getting the flesh melted off of your hand. The sword is nice, but it's not like some alien super-sharp blade. Again, we come back to you aren't strong enough to hammer down a titanium sphere.

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
You still havent responded to me using your shield to move around you, if you use spikes (Which are overt TK) I can use them like handholds for a gymnest and swing around you. You may be stronger than me, but you bring nothing to this fight my guy hasn't faced, and overcome, before.

I must not have seen that. First, explain how shaping his shield differently is TELEKINESIS. Second, touching my shiled (or the spikes that sprout from it) would be a baaad idea. See my bio? Where it says his chi energy burns organic matter on contact? Yeah. Good luck fighting when your flesh is disintegrating off your forearm.

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I don't think you can say plasma casters are mostly heat damage then they blow things apart like they do.
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Oh look, I was almost right. I just named the wrong kind of energy.


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Chi the way he used it in our match isn't against the rules as it is nothing more than Cyclop's blasts. Even using it the way he is now I don't think really violates the tourney as he isn't effecting anything but his own energies. Redirecting the shot changing the way his force field is arranged really isn't doing anything TK just using his own energy to a different angle. The key thing is that remember everything would be toned down to Tourney level those spikes won't be harder than Titanium and those blasts won't be stronger than Cyclop's so he can do all these thing but it doesn't guarantee anything. In fact since it would take increased concentration to maintain these effects it could be argued that they might be weaker than they would be if he wasn't messing with them.


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Originally posted by Khellendros
Yes, except the system require focus. Midnighter can have a chat, play a card game, untangle christmas lights or whatever while allowing his scanners and computer to plot the most efficient way to to eliminate every conceivable threat in the area. Simply put, I can do more than you can.


midnighter sucks at unravelling Christmas lights..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

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It is TK if Grailnighter controls the chi blasts with his mind. It's Newtons law, although I don't know how acurately it applies to energy.


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I don't think it is... I wouldn't call Green Lantern telekinetic. Venom controls his tendrils perfectly well, I don't see why Grail's chi should be a problem. Same with the shield. He isn't moving any outside objects, he's just manipulating the energy.


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I don't think it is... I wouldn't call Green Lantern telekinetic. Venom controls his tendrils perfectly well, I don't see why Grail's chi should be a problem. Same with the shield. He isn't moving any outside objects, he's just manipulating the energy.


With his mind.


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Yeah. How do you think ALL energy projecters operate? Cyclops's blasts are triggered mentally. Venom controls his symbiote mentally. Hell, even Drizzt's darkness globes are mentally conjured. Dazzler's another big one. She probably does more with her energy than Grail does. And she does it all with her.... feet? No, mind, mind... Yeah, that's it.


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By definition, it's T.K.

What more can you argue?

But, what I want to know is how durable is Azreal's suit? What kind of high end titanium is it made of? Is it under the pred armor?


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By definition, it's T.K.

What more can you argue?

But, what I want to know is how durable is Azreal's suit? What kind of high end titanium is it made of? Is it under the pred armor?


Yes, it's under the pred armor, and it's roughly the equivalent of titanium.


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What's it made of?

The properties of the metal will have an effect on how it handles the chi attacks.


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"The costume Azrael curently wears was designed by Nomoz after his failed first tussel with Batman. Incorporating the advanced Order technology that created the silent hovercraft, the universal solvent, and the Azraels themselves, Nomoz crafted a fireproof and bulletproof fabric that resembles a weave of Kevlar and Nomex materials."

So it's basically Batman's armor with an extra layer of plates.


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I don't think you can say plasma casters are mostly heat damage then they blow things apart like they do.

Why not? I even explained why they destroy something. Heating it to the point of violent fracture for inorganic materials and creating steam explosions when hitting living flesh.

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midnighter sucks at unravelling Christmas lights..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yeah, the tactical engine just wasn't built to handle christmas lights... sad

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Yes, it's under the pred armor, and it's roughly the equivalent of titanium.

Err, no. The upper limit for armor is titanium. That doesn't mean all armor gets an upgrade to titanium level strength. His kevlarish bodysuit is not nearly as strong as titanium.

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What's it made of?

The properties of the metal will have an effect on how it handles the chi attacks.

There's no metal in Azrael's bodysuit. It's basically suped up Kevlar.

EDIT: As for the chi redirection thing... I still don't get why that counts as TK when he's just moving his own energy around. Maybe Digi needs to come in and rule on it.

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There's no metal in Azrael's bodysuit. It's basically suped up Kevlar.


Like the Batsuit basically.


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Like the Batsuit basically.

I dunno what the batsuit is made of but probably yes.

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I dunno what the batsuit is made of but probably yes.


Same thing, kevlar and nomex bulletproof/fireproof suit.


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Has anyone voted in this match yet? Only a day left...


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This match is so close, trying to figure out who to vote for has been unbearable.

So, by a slim margine, I vote for Nataku.


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Quoted from EsteemedLeader in the discussion thread after a brief explanation...

"So, Grailnighter's chi blasts and shield should be allowed, but changing it's course or making energy spikes on his shield should not."

...if there's still any confusion, hopefully this clears it up. Thanks EL


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