so you see my friend scoobless.. the issue on whether or not scarlet's spider sense works on venom is practically irrelivant... what's important, is the fact that regardless of spider sense or no... venom works on scarlet spider...
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just a quick example of what I mean when I talk about overwhelming Scarlet up close.. just image more tendrils and more shields.. as I did not draw them in so you can actually make out what's happeneing to some extent...
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great work, jin. you called down the thunder on the biggest hole in scoobs argument, imo -- that of his agility. based on what i saw in the movie, i would certainly say that, while quick and, um, er, well-articulated (??) he is no where near as 'agile' as some of the top-tier agility guys. i'm not a big fan of your strategy (piling things on him) but i have to admit it seems to be an effective method. he can hack a few of the things, maybe even dodge a couple, but he certainly WILL be hit by many, many things.
i'll be interested in seeing scoobs relpy. a problem with using a sw character is that there are not a lot of feats to draw on, while your more established characters have a much broader history. the same thing worked against lam in his fight with you.
i'll wait to hear scoob out, but at the moment, you are, er, burying him . . .
again... i'm using the undamaged version of Grievous from the Clone Wars animated series... he showed much greater speed and agility than he did in the movie, which is set after he had been damaged
he appeared in quite a few episodes of Clone Wars, all of which showed him using speed and agility that would equal Spider-Man... and he can take more punishment too
running away is the smart option when faced with a barrage of lasers, Spider-Man, when he gets his spider sense knocked out by Goblin Gas, gets hit by EVERYONE... it isn't a question of speed if you don't know the attack is coming... and even when you do know... you can't dodge a laser after it's been fired... spider sense lets the user know when and where to move to avoid/block an attack
most of that sounds completely ludicrous and utterly beside the point... with no reason to stay there and see if he's lucky enough to avoid a fatal laser blast, why would a smart tactician hang around? the point here is that Scarlet Spider + Spider-Man have done way more than that, and more frequently... now that Grievous's abilities include their abilities, there's no reason that he couldn't avoid anything you throw at him
if it were a case of any single one of those abilities you may have a point... but when he has them all? with running, jumping, climbing, hand/foot switching, fighting, martial arts training and near perfect balance..... what exactly is he lacking in the agility department?
i know
AFTER a good few moments... enough for Scarlet to sit around and wonder about what to do next..... now that i have the experience of that fight i can wait until an opportunity comes up where i'm at such a range where you are an unmissable target
the minute or so that it takes you to break free is far more time than i'll need to finish you
and they do... but i'm not really playing them up in this fight too much because of the healing factors.... though if your symbiote leaves you uncovered for a moment they will still slow you down for a few seconds at a time
yes, it's alien tech that was only ever pierced by an extremely strong, needle point weapon.... because anything with a greater surface area can't get through
don't worry though.... your sword will be wrecked by my lightsabres before you ever get the chance to test that
claws are like bullets, the surface area is too large.... this isn't a one-piece armour, it's futuristic alien fibre weave that's stopped everything larger than a needle... Stargate tech includes metal that is near adamantium... it's not a question of the strength of the material being used, it's the surface area... so while the extreme tips of your claws may get through, it'll only be enough to scratch the surface of the outermost part of my cyborg body
and a spider sense takes away the aspect of patterns.... as it reacts to everything you're doing i don't need to move in patterns... or even watch yours.... i'll simply know which direction the attacks will be coming from... and with four sabers i can easily block and attack at the same time
or you could just look for the glowing lightsaber... i'm not hiding... ... but watch out for all those fires i lit.... they could get you in trouble
it's dusk, not pitch black... and all the lights from the rides are on.... plus I lit a whole bunch of fires
lol.... that's just for TV ... you think kids would think lasers were cool if they couldn't see the blasts travelling?
a single bullet on a single occasion... and only when he had full view of the gun and hand that were firing at him... he could see her clench fingers to fire... he knew that shot was coming well in advance of it being fired... lasers travel much, much, much faster than bullets
and if he was really faster than bullets he'd have either moved out of the way or raised his shield
you can cover an entire 6'5 foot (or so) man with a shield that's about 1'5 feet in diameter?
see... now i just don't believe you on this
fire has, on many, many occasions, been shown to seriously damage the symbiote.... plasma is like that... but much hotter and coming at him much faster
limited before the tourney started... so not quite
also limited before the tourney started... and you have no way of proving that one healing factor will improve the other... in fact t it's entirely possible that they'll work against each other... like a body rejecting alien organs
total PIS. i've seen Wolverine struggle to heal from getting his stomach sliced open
completely irrelevant... there's a tourney cap on healing factors and you know it
you mean you'll be trying to dodge/block... i'm not in danger of running out of ammo and not limited to a single line of fire at a time
actually he thinks using his super speed, agility and spider sense it wont be hard to get out of the way .... Jin seems to believe that i'm just going to be standing around waiting to get stuff thrown at me
"Cybernetically Enhanced Eyes: Although Grievous has his natural Kaleesh eyes instead of photoreceptors, these are enhanced, allowing him to see in the dark (+2D to search in darkness), and including macrobinocular features." http://rpggamer.org/print.php?page=...algrievous.html
I really hope writing all that gave you cramp.... lol
none of it changes the fact that at distance i have you completely out-gunned and up-close my sabers slice through every part of you that isn't adamantium... which includes your symbiote
I negated your night-vision advantage with my own... so no help for you there
you simply can't physically touch me without being in range of ALL of my weapons.... my long range weapons will blow holes in you and my close up weapons will tear strips off of you
with your healing factors limited to tourney specs you can't recover from having muscles sliced off before the end of the match... a laser blast through the heart or plasma blasts to the stomach area finish this quickly from a distance
my spider sense will let me know your general direction long before we come into line of sight of each other and my night-vision/macrobinoculars will allow me to aim perfectly from a distance before you know where i am
by the time you know that i've spotted you, your intestines will have been vaporised and i'll still be firing
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Great, great matchup and I've watched for many days to decide who I would vote for, jinzin and scoob have VERY potent characters with a taste of versatility, familiarity, AND popularity.
While I like scoob's immunity to the symbiosis, jinzin has the greater durability.
While I like jinzin's toughness and endurance, I like scoobless' attack advantages and his ability to simply stay out of the way.
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<<again... i'm using the undamaged version of Grievous from the Clone Wars animated series... he showed much greater speed and agility than he did in the movie, which is set after he had been damaged
he appeared in quite a few episodes of Clone Wars, all of which showed him using speed and agility that would equal Spider-Man... and he can take more punishment too>>
hmm, i wonder if that in itself may be an issue scoob. we (or I at any rate) can SEE jin's feats and they can be coroborated with scans -- we've only your word regarding your amalgam's abilities based on a tv show i've never seen. (btw, 'pologies i didn't catch that earlier. i'm sure you were saying -- what a dumbass -- can't he read! i read quickly in fact, to try and catch up and hit the high points!)
i'm also still unclear how you plan to avoid the 100 tendril-thing.
<<actually he thinks using his super speed, agility and spider sense it wont be hard to get out of the way .... Jin seems to believe that i'm just going to be standing around waiting to get stuff thrown at me>>
this doesn't seem to be an adequate answer to me. by casting the tendrils below ground and from so many directions, your amalgam's spidey sense will be neutralized -- or at least useless in that you won't know WHERE the danger is coming from because it will be coming from everywhere. even if you are 'ready to move anywhere', by the time things start flying your way, it will be too late. i need to know how you plan to avoid this trap before i decide upon whom to vote for in this.
ok... before he knows where i am he can't extend tendrils in my direction, and my spider sense will still let me know what direction he's in even before he extends any tendrils:
with this knowledge and using my night-vision + macrobinoculars (MBs) i'll spot him long before he spots me
the MBs will allow me to aim perfectly over long range in darkness (as lasers travel along perfect line of sight)... using this tactic for my first move, i'll be able to hit him with a full power blast before he knows where to look... i'll also be firing plasma blasts a split second before the laser (as it doesn't travel quite as fast as light) so they arrive at almost exactly the same time causing maximum damage.... one shot to the face and multiple shots to the stomach region
all this plus grievous's foot speed is much greater than Spider-Man's.... so if something were to be hurled i'd easily be able to out-distance/sidestep it
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Last edited by Scoobless on Nov 6th, 2005 at 03:38 AM
Lemme get my vote in before I have to go. I hope you both know you made it a pain in the balls trying to pick who I thought would win. Seriously, to me you both seem very even. Still, all told... I'm voting for Scoob. Working Spidey sense plus large number of weapons (and the ability to use several simultaneously) is what finally convinced me, and even then only by a tiny margin when weighed against the healing factor(s). He's basically an insanely agile tank (rassum frassum Kull armor), and that's what gives him my vote.
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