or he has pre-cog that allows him to move before the lightning strikes... same way he always dodges bullets and lasers which also travel faster than he does
Hard to believe, but I can buy that more than Khell saying it's reflex alone.
But, it's a good think Grailnighter has neither FTL pre-cog or PIS writers.
One hit and he's dead. He can't compete with all my advantages of speed/adamantium & higher durability and energy resistance. His only bet is try and dodge, and with my speed what it is, he hasn't a chance.
It's laughable to try to say you can seriously hurt an energy resistant being with three layers of protection....with low level energy attacks??? What are you thinking Khell?
His reflection technique is a bit absurd. He's trying to say he's going to be able to acknowledge the difference between lasers and electric attacks, and only grab the laser attacks and throw them back. That's flash level speed, which he doesn't have.
Grailnighter will be in the middle of a flurry of different attacks, some of them will be electric, some lazer and some coils. One coil ends the game.
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Conductive materials. Lots of materials that aren't metal will conduct a current. What's the use of making the ultimate stealth fighter if he can be picked up on a fuggin metal detector?
Now you're just acting dense. Seriously.
See? It even says there's a seperate page for the regular universe Blink. Please tell me you aren't really that dense.
See up top in this one? A blast from his chest takes out a stone worm that was ignoring gatling gun fire, armor piercing rounds, even grenade launchers. Far above Gambit level. http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?...neworms23za.jpg
You run fast, I teleport faster and react even faster than that. You won't even land one hit between my dodging and teleportation.
Actually, neither will get through. I've shown I can deflect lasers withe ase, and an energy field won't conduct electricity. Hell, even if it was a real metal dome, all a lightning blast would to is electrify it, not blast through.
One, you can't charge everything with electricity, it's not all metal. Two, none of that will do anything but waste energy. I'll still sense what you're doing.
Midnighter dodges energy blasts at POINT BLANK. Blink matches King Hyperion in combat speed and shatters his spine with his own eyeblasts. GRAIL, for f*cks sake, reacts in time to protect his entire team from multiple lasers. I am waaaay fast enough.
I think Freek also gives him good reaction times, but the majority of his mobility (at high speeds) was from the rocket booster things, which were cut out for this tourney.
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I think what scoob is trying to say khell is the 'thermal visor' effect (so called after metroid primes thermal visor) . You would activate it and it would show you everything in the heat spectrum but upon entering a warm/ lava filled room you couldn't see over the glare.
It's which ever way I point the boot thruster rockets. They basically turn my normal running into tourney limit super speed instanly. 160mph or something?
They also increase my forward strength and momentum/towing strength.
Not really, no.
His boot rockets gave him a lot of his mobility and agility & a lot of speed.
The back rockets gave him his massive speed. The "too-fast-to-be-seen-with-the-naked-eye" beyond Quicksilver speed.
So, this is your only option? Try and dodge me the whole time without getting any true hits in on me?
Yeah, not gonna happen.
We both know you can't dodge forever, and you won't. It'll take maybe two attempts at hitting you, and it's over. No coming back from it.
Your character has such a limited output offense power it's ridiculous. You can't dodge, block and attack ALL at the same time without messing up and getting tagged. It's impossible.
One hit, ol' chum, and it's over. The chances of you messing up is very likely, and when you do, you're dead.
Dodging lasers point blank is either PIS or beyond tourney limits. Pick one. None of your characters have anything close to FTL reactions.
I'm your superior in reactions & durability & weaponry and around equal in strength.
Electro=10ton Speedfreek=unknown superhuman(Strong enough to lift hulk and tow him & cut him in half) + tenticals, which have been shown to be as strong as both Spiderman & Ben parker at the same time. And over powered Spiderman many times.
I have the range advantage and the h2h advantage. You can be battered by super strong arms, jabbed by adamantium blades, electrocuted, blasted....on and on.
Also, you can't get behind me without notice, the tenticals have scanners and vision for themselves, they will detect you wherever you are.
The air charges when Shocktopus is around. It does so without him making it, it's strong enough to kill a human just by being around him. You won't stand a solitary chance at deciphering between the electrically charged field and myself.
One hit, you die.
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Whatever his name was, Ben Rielly & Spiderman fought her at the same time and it ended in a stalemate, with Spiderman nearly dying in the fight and thinking about quitting his hero gig. She showed her tenticals being physically equal in strength to two 10 tonners.
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No, I get it. But he was one a team with Jenny Sparks, who once turned into a being of electricity as tall as a skyscraper and was putting out enough power to short out a fleet of alien warships while her team watched. Not once did Midnighter ever mention having a problem with his sensors.
Well, I will dodge if necessary. But no true hits? There is only so far you can run in this place, and I can fire blasts that cover wide arcs.
Riight. Class 60 strength and energy output on Cyclops level compared to... what? Lasers that I easily deflect? Lightning bolts that won't pass through my shields? Mechanical arms that I can easily dodge? Oh yeah, I'M outmatched.
You sure are fond of that word, PIS. Anyways, it's not beyond tourney rules because he didn't OUTRUN the laser, just reacted in time to get out of it's way. Digi knows as much about Midnighter as I do and he approved him, so stop whining.
Right.
Reactions: I block multiple lasers, dodge energy blasts and take on superspeed opponents. You... have a drug junkie who runs forward really fast and a walking battery who Spiderman routinely owns. Even when your guy was taking on Nate Grey, Spidey owned him with a rock. A ROCK.
Durability: Midnighter can take a kick that sends him flying hundreds of feet and recover enough to land on his feet and catch his staff. The symbiote covers my entire body, is skintight with no gaps, and is at the tourney limit for strength. My shields are also at the tourney limit, and I've shown proof. You have Electro's body, titanium armor that leaves your head uncovered, and one shield that you've shown nothing impressive for except one Spiderfist bouncing off of it.
Strrength: I am class 60 easy. At BEST, you are class 12. And that's if the voters buy into Electro being class 10 when he's never shown that kind of strength. The strongest part of you are your mechanical arms, and those are easily dodged by me.
Knowing where I am won't matter much when I'm blasting away the anchor point and power source for your arms.
Jenny Sparks was nuking Superhumans all around in that scan I showed you of Midnighter saying he could see electrical activity. Not once has working with a being of pure eletricity ever messed with his scanners.
Hey long pig. You demanded proof of Midnighter being able to see electrical ativity, well, gimme proof that Doc Ock's shield isn't a piece of sh*t. All you've EVER shown is that one panel of a fist bouncing off it. Time for you to prove your shield can even match up to this toruney's lowered standards.
How...vague. I don't think you really understand. I'm charged already, there is no big build up to blast like DBZ. It tapped and ready to go the whole time.
You aren't making any sense, man. And...you're somehow going to dodge two different lightspeed attacks THEN pick out only one of those lightspeed attacks, all while dodging tentacles coming at you 90ft per second and rocket propelled mentally controlled adamantium coils?
Absurd.
Your slight strength advantage means nothing since you haven't a weapon that can harm me through my shields and armor. You can't dodge lasers & bolts & arms & coils ALL THE WHILE trying to attack.
One hit, and you're gone. Up close and one swipe and you're gone.
-sigh- Do I need to explain Electro's strength and how he gets it? He's said how he does it himself.
Supercharging his body with electricity produces a galvanic response in Electro's muscles, making him superhumanly strong. 10 tons strength. He's matched spiderman in strength on more than a few occasions.
Ok. You up to speed, now?
Now, we are putting the 10 Electro inside a cybernetic robotic suit which boosts a normal human attributes to unknown superhuman levels, strong enough to lift Hulk(Fast enough to flight faster than thought. Reaction/fight speed enough to flight faster than thought in a medium size room while fighting Hulk and random guards.) and throw Hulk and cut hulk in half.
That would then put Shocktopus 12-15 tons. Now, the tentacles are strong enough to overpower Spiderman easily, and has shown to be as strong as two spidermen. That would now place Shocktopus in the 20-30 ton area. More than enough strength to cut through anything that you have with my 5 foot long adamantium blades.
What power source? Oh, the one under the tourney limit strength armor under the shields? Haha...sure.
She only had four appearances, her shield was described as impenetrable. And it has remained so. No need for scans.
So, again.
You want to pretend you can dodge FTL, you can't.
You want to pretend you can react FTL, you can't.
You want to pretend your blasts are Cyclops level when by all accounts they are moderate Gambit level.
You want to pretend you can multi-task on the level of Flash, without getting hit. You can't.
You're only argument thus far is dodging FTL and....that's all.
In my case, I have many blasters and physical attacks. I only need one hit to win. Just one.
I can overwhelm you with attacks and in the end, I only need ONE attack to slip through and you're dead. Nothing you can do, no shields are strong enough to protect it, you aren't fast enough to dodge it, it's over.
Teleporting=Mobility. Blink and MNer are also crazy quick and agile. Combined with the fact that he can put up portals to send stuff right back to Shocktopus, I don't see nearly as many attacks hitting him as LP says will. Those that aren't teleported away or dodged are going to be hitting a strong forcefield for some time. Shocktopus's forcefield is questionable in strength, and while titanium armor is strong, Grail's blasts are pretty impressive. He also has the cheap omnidirectional thing going, so they're kinda hard to dodge. It'd be close, I just see Grailnighter walking away more than not.
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OH SH*T SON! You just blinked! Long Pig demands proof of one of my claims on Midnighter, I give it with a quickness. I ask for the same, he CAN'T. Put up or shut up. As of now, that shield might as well be a wall of sh*t.
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And only four appearances?? Bull. This is from YOUR OWN LINK (a list of her appearances):
There. Eighteen appearances. Pick one decent showing, other than that stupid one panel, and toss it up here boy.
Last edited by Khellendros on Nov 3rd, 2005 at 11:26 PM
No, the shield hasn't been used much in her appearances. She spent most of her appearances doing prep work on her virtual reality bomb and the like.
It only appeared when she claimed it and announced it as "indestructable" and while she fought Spiderman, which he couldn't break and then against Spiderman & Ben, in which they couldn't break it there either.
In all her appearances, it didn't faulter that I know of. And in most her bios, it's noted that the shield is very tough and/or impenetrable.
In the few times she's used it, it did as it's said to do. Going by the only proof available, it's near impenetrable.
Nothing really there up for debate.
Plus we have Electro's shielding and such.
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Last edited by long pig on Nov 3rd, 2005 at 11:46 PM
The fact remains that I have more than enough protection & speed to dodge and handle evvvverrrryyythhhiinggg Khell has. He, on the other hand, has no defense against my attack.
I only need one hit and the game is over, the hit will happen while he is being overwhelmed by other attacks.
Riiight. So I'm just supposed to take your word for it? I have a scan for you when you demand proof, just one page, and you can't do the same? I don't care if she THINKS it's invincible, the fact is it hasn't stood any kind of REAL test.
Oh, and I'm also interested in what issue Electro used his supposed shield. I believe Scoobless was kinda doubtful about it's existance at one point, so now I am too. I'm not asking about the stupid web pages, I'm asking for comic appearances here, son.
See, I have provided scan after scan proving my characters are as badass as I say they are and they can do waht I say they can. You... make a lot of claims, put up a lot of little links, but seem to have no comic appearances to bakc yourself up, ESPECIALLY on these shields.
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