let them laugh. I wipe my a$$ w/what people here think of me to be honest w/you. I didn't notice any name calling. That's good, we're all having a civilized discussion here. Supes might indeed be more well known than Spidey, but I seriously doubt he's more well liked. I've not been abroad enough to know what people think about him, but in America(Supes homeland, what matters most to him) Spidey runs this s**t!!!!! Seriously, when you see kids in your city wearing shirts w/superheroes on them, who do you see? Ask these kids who their favorite superhero is. It's most likely gonna be Spidey. When not, it's usually Batman, @ least that's how it is here in P-town. There's actually Spider-Man graffiti 'round my old way. Again people I'm talking about popularity, not how well known you are. Spider-Man is THE most popular superhero.
I agree. Namecalling isn't needed...and leds to 100-page+ arguements.
Replace "might" with IS. AGAIN, the Superman signia is DIRECTLY behind the CRUXFIX. The HOLY CROSS. That's how well-known he is. Spider-Man has some popularity in the Western civilization but in the REST of the world? Please. He's just a guy swinging around with Silly Putty.
Honey. This is what is called ethnocentrism. In your "hood" Spider-Man may be the biggest thing. But in the rest of the world, no way in hell. In Japan, Superman is the most popular superhero. There DOZENS of parodies based on him. The most well-known being Goku. In Africa, Superman is nearly a religous idol. Children see him as a symbol of hope against the despair in their horrible lives. In the friggin United Nations, the UNITED NATIONS, there is plaque dedicated to Superman. No other superhero has ever had such a cultural, societal, political and psychological impact as Superman. Millions of books have been written in the study of Superman mythology. Hell, there graduate studies on Superman.
Enough already. You don't have to like Superman. But to undergrade his relevance to the world is just low and petty.
And here's a sidenote, if Superman had NEVER existed, Spider-Man wouldn't either. And we certainly wouldn't be posting here.
No. He isn't. And he never will be. What's next on your agenda? Saying Brahman is more popular than Jesus? Cause that's a direct analogy to this arguement.
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Honestly, that gets lamer every time I hear it. It's quite funny how people know what would've happened. Have you been to some alternate universe where Supes doesn't exist? No? Then you really don't have a clue as to whether Spidey would exist. How come us Supes haters always have to deal w/these "he's best 'cause he's 1st" arguments? Spidey had a (bad)tv series in Japan fyi. Supes can be the 3rd behind the cross all day and that still just means he's more well known, not well liked. Popularity is how many like you. Goku might have some inspiration from Supes(there was a comedy character dressed like Supe in some of the earlier episodes shown as a weakling), but there's an Chinese "monkey king legend" that's mostly responsible. It's usually a character w/a pole who may or may not float on a cloud. See monkey magic(a short lived series here) or that Son character from Marvel VS Capcom(has a pole and morphs into a giant ape) or Xin Legend of the monkey king. Look @ that, ol' brainchild's "preachin', teachin' the people f'sure"
Also forgot...Mighty Mouse! "Here I come to save the day...!"
(though there was Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse!)
With regard to our differences of opinion, Superman himself would say (as I'm sure Spiderman would too--not so sure about Bats )...
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it."
Shinier than a speeding bullet.
first off DRAGONBALL is based on the monkey king legend. DRAGONBALL Z is based more on superman.
dont you see an odd similarity between these 2 stories.
an alien from the planet krypton, has an alien name (kal-el) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.
an alien from the planet Vegeta, has an alien name (kakarot) was sent to earth in a rocket ship as his planet exploded and eventually becomes its greatest hero.
hummm, a little the same, wouldn't you say?
second, although superman not existing doesn't necessarily mean that other super hero's like spiderman would not exist, superman is indeed the cause of it.
all the comic book authors (stan lee for example) grew up reading super hero comics like superman. then there was a slump in the sales of superhero comics being sold. stan lee had always like super hero's (from which superman was the first very popular one) and so he wrote a few super hero comics (one being spiderman) this eventually led to the creation of marvel comics.
whether you want to admit it or not superman was the inspiration for ALL comic book hero's to come after him. would they exist had he not been created? hard to say (although chances are another super hero would have been taken his place) the point is superman is the inspiration and basis for ALL super hero and super hero comics to come after him.
he is THE super hero. i mean, thats where they got the name super hero from..lol
Um. NO. Please. Superman started the superhero genre. Hell he started comics in general. Face facts. Spider-Man wouldn't exist if it were not for Superman.
Honesty is a virtue...
Um. No. I'm not saying he's the "best" because he was the first superhero. I'm saying he's most well-known. A fact you simply have trouble grasping...
Boo-hoo. And your point is....?
You obviously failed logistical mathematics. Let's say we have two different types of sodas: Pepsi and Frosh. Pepsi is more well-known. More people drink it. More people know people who drink it. It's called the multiplier effect. Let's say the world is comprised of say 10 people. 9 out ten people know what Pepsi is and only three people out 10 people know what Frosh is. Based on this which drink is more popular. Yeah. Exactly.
Next time you visit that alternate universe, bring me back some Rum and toilet paper.
Proving again that you don't know what popular means and thus are unfit to argue w/me about popularity. I'll try to edify you again.
pop·u·lar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ppy-lr)
Widely liked or appreciated: a popular resort.
-Liked by acquaintances; sought after for company: “Beware of over-great pleasure in being popular or even beloved” (Margaret Fuller).
-Of, representing, or carried on by the people at large: the popular vote.
-Fit for, adapted to, or reflecting the taste of the people at large: popular entertainment; popular science.
-Accepted by or prevalent among the people in general: a popular misunderstanding of the issue.
-Suited to or within the means of ordinary people: popular prices.
Originating among the people: popular legend.
& for that pointless soda thing, if those 3 people like Frosh and less than 3 people like Pepsi. Frosh is more popular. If everybody in the world knows and hates you, you're less popular than the guy who's liked and known only by his parents. More well-known does not EQUAL More popular. More well-liked EQUALS More popular. Got it?
Ah. But no such alternate universe exists. Saying that Spider-Man would exist without Superman is like saying that Nancy Drew would exist without Sherlock Holmes. If the beginning of the comic-book genre never came to past thus a product of the comic-book genre can thusly never exist.
Not to mention Stan Lee delibrately tried to create a anti-thesis to Superman by subtracting ideals of previously heralded principles of what a superhero should and can be.
And as the previous poster mentioned, how can a SUPERhero exist with SUPERman?
You're just being incredibly stubborn on this point...
Proving again that you don't know what popular means and thus are unfit to argue w/me about popularity. I'll try to edify you again.
Again. You must have failed logistical mathematics. THINK. If a larger amount of people have no idea Spider-Man exists than he loses a greater amount of people to like (or hate) him because they have no idea he exists. Superman on the hand is known by damn near everyone. Thus of his pool of potential likers is far, far greater Spider-Man.
Again. Let me try to make this as simple as it can be for you:
The world is represented by 100 people. Of all 100 people, they know who and what Superman is. 5 people know who and what Spider-Man is. Now you brought up a vaild point that people may know who Superman is but they may also hate him. So Spider-Man according to your deeply mistaken assumptions is by default much more popular. But you failed to think this through. Remember that Superman has a FAR greater pool of people to either like or dislike Spider-Man. Spider-Man has a very small pool of people to like (yes it may not seem possible to you but dislike the character as well). So if 100 people know Superman and 75% hate him. How many people like Superman? 25. Let's try again. Let's say 90% of 100 people know Superman but also hate him. How many like Superman? 10. Let's draw an even more impossible scenario where 95% of 100 people know and hate Superman. How many still like Superman? Five which is tied to the ratio of people who have the slightest clue who Spider-Man is. The reason Superman is more popular in the world is simply because he is more well-known. More people can hate him...but more people can LIKE him as well. His "pool of potential popularity/impopularity" is simply far greater than Spider-Man's. What if those who know Spider-Man hate him in favor of Wolverine? The ONLY way Spider-Man can even hope to be close to or even in impossible scenario match Superman in popularity is that EVERYONE who knows Spiderm-Man must like him as well. Your poor bias failed to implement that Spider-Man as well has people who don't like him.
That also means his pool of potential dislikers and apathetics is far, far greater than Spidey's. I'm very eager to see how Supes performs in the box office worldwide. I'll be absolutely shocked if Supes pulls in more than half of what either Spidey film did. I'll be even more shocked if he makes as much. If he makes more I'll pop a blood vessel . Actually I'll just come back here and I'll be the 1st to admit I was wrong about Supes's box office power. Nobody knows for certain whether Spidey would exist or not. Period. Maybe Supes wouldn't exist if not for the existence Doc Savage or the Shadow. I can't say that for sure though because they do exist and that's the only reality we know of. No, my bias never fails I do dislike comic Supes. I love Smallville though because they've left out many of the elements I dislike about Supes. I've yet to start any Supes bashing threads, but I've noticed a few(here and ither places) and posted in them. Everybody has characters they don't like, but I do my best to avoid bias. I didn't state that Spidey has people who don't like him because that goes without saying. Of course he does, any character known by many will have a number of people who don't like them. I'll revise the soda thing for you. Neither one of us knows the exact number of likers, dislikers, or apathetics for either character. Until those numbers are given. We won't know who's really more popular. Until then, I'll just use movie gross numbers because I think there are more people that read comics & also go to the movies than people that go to the movies & also read comics. Spidey won Bravo's Ultimate Superhero(I think Supes was #2) contest and Wizard's (Batman was #2 and I don't remember where Super man was) also. Winning Wizard's means a bit more when you consider how much they seem to like Batman, so much that they put "........and it's not Batman" on 1 of the covers. Spidey's the man until proven other wise. Batman is DC's top dawg IMO and in many other's Os. I remember seeing an art book recently that had (in large letters) "How to draw Batman" in little letters underneath that it had "and other DC comics superheroes"
Superman might've fell into that "other" category.
Not even by a long shot. The only reason spiderman has been so popular is becuz there have been 2 new spiderman movies recently. There hasnt been a superman movie like in 15 years or so. When Superman Returns come out everyone will be getting Supe Stuff.
here is an example of what were trying to tell you brainchild81.
in the Spiderman movie (the first one) SUPERMAN IS MENTIONED!
IN A MARVEL COMICS MOVIE! how popular and influential is that?
I dont know the quote exactly but its something like
aunt may to peter:
"You do too much, school, a job, your not Superman you know!"
THATS what were trying to say to you, i mean superman is mentioned in a movie about the very character you say is more popular, and Marvel and DC are competing comics! even they are giving credit to superman, because he is the only person to give credit too. he IS the greatest superhero and he IS the superhero who gave birth to other superheroes. but more importantly he goes beyond popularity, he is a legend, a symbol he is the very definition of what it means to be a superhero, because he made that definition what it is today.
THATS what were trying to get you to understand. please, stop trying to say otherwise, your just sounding dumb.
Bravo(the show was listing the ULTIMATE superheroes and Spidey won) and Wizard(Greatest of all time list, again Spidey won, noticing a trend here? Supes didn't even make #2) think otherwise. I've seen the Spidey flicks(the upcoming Supes movie will not stack up to either film box office wise. Quote me on that and if I'm wrong, feel free to rub it in my face). There's also a scene where Spidey runs down the street and takes off his shirt the way Supes does. I think those scenes are designed to evoke a chuckle from the viewers. I've heard Rami was a Superman fan also. & do you realize that that quote is one of the reasons why Spidey is so popular? Because he's not Superman. Also in a recent Batman & Superman book, Supes saved a girl falling off a bridge for a stealthy looking guy w/six arms. I've got nothing against Supes fans, but seriously guys, Supes isn't even the #1 guy in DC, how is he the most popular hero?
Popularity also works with people you love to hate. For example, you hate/dislike supes, yet you are always in the Supes forum. Supes is far more widely known, whether you love or hate the guy.
If they ever make a "Death of Spiderman" comic and it sells even half of what Death of Superman sold/sells, AND gets the same attention Superman got,I'd be surprised. Hell, the media made an issue about the guy changing his costume.
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