i saw a tv show on near death experiences not too long ago actually. as long as you arnt killed instantly or unconcious i think that youd understand whats happening and feel your heart stop for a split second. blood is still circulating so as long as its oxyginated i think youd know. one of the reasons they stopped decapitation is because the head was sometimes still alive for a short time. they even used to pick the head up and show it the body before it died. it was only a few seconds but you can remain concious with no heartbeat.
in some of the cases it was very convincing that after the person had died something still occured. a woman had her brain completly drained of blood for an operation and she was able to talk about what happened and what the instruments looked like during the procedure. they dont uncover the instruments until the patient is completly unconcious so she didnt see them before hand, and she didnt regain conciousness until after she had been taked from the room. there was no brain activity at all becuase their was no blood, but she could remember the conversations and what everyone was doing. she said she was in the top corner of the room watching it happen. there were a bunch of cases similar with people ariving unconcious and remembering the nurses faces and what doctors said during the proceedure, but none of them had a patient that was completly braindead like the woman whos brain was drained.
they also had someone explaining why it is that you see a tunnel and all that from a scientific point of view and how certian parts of the eye black out first giving the illusion of a dark tunnel with light at the end. ultimatly the number of cases and some of the details made me side against her pretty strongly. she couldnt explain the woman with no blood and some other things like that.
most of them, reguardless of the trauma, said it was peaceful and painless. the woman who didnt believe in it said that the brain releases alot of hormones that would give you a euphoria just before you died, so while you might feel your heart stop very briefly i dont think it would bother you much. if you were burning alive or something like that you might still feel alot of pain and stuff but if you were shot or suffered extreme injuries and were still concious, it seems that from a scientific and spiritual point of view that your last moments wouldnt involve much pain at all. leading up would but when your heart was about to stop beating and your brain was dying you would feel peaceful and happy.
Anyone afraid of dying? or getting old and crippled?
Do you guys believe the Grim Reaper guides you? I think he does and he is believed to come in many forms, sometimes wearing traditional Sickle & cape sometimes wearing a suit like Joe Black etc Nurses in nursing homes have stated many times and backed up that they have seen a Black figure watching over an elderly person before they die, sometimes they reported to have been sick for days if the figure in black looked at them......what you think...I have many sources books, videos, documentries etc
Also what we know about death ---
#1 you can never ever return to your former body eg your current body
#2 You cannont directly interfere withyour former world/plane of the living? although if your a trapt soul like a ghost you can interact and communicate via mediums
#3 Dieing hurts and feels good at the same time? I dunno
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Leonardo Da Vinci had his most loyal student observe him and take notes of him while he was dying in order to for others to know more about the physical process of death.
And while Da Vinci was taking his last gasps of air, he was telling his student what was happening to him, and how he felt physically, all in the name of science.
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No, he wasn't in pain but if i'm recalling correctly DaVinci said he felt that certain body parts felt extremely weak or near numb, more than other organs which can probably explain that while dying, organs or body parts die off individually. Not all at once as people think.
Like 2 or 3 hrs before he died, DaVinci said his sight was practically gone, but he could still speak. His hearing was semi-fading but he could still talk . His stomach felt lightly numb, but he could still slowly turn his head . Leading me to believe that some organs can still be active after death and not everything goes all at once as he was trying to prove.
And i'm assuming that if one organ goes it's far less painful or uncomfortable then experiencing 2 or more organs go. Besides, I don't think your body will wait for all organs to die if say your heart stops. Even though the hearts a muscle. So what he was saying was sensible.
In only a matter of time, 100% of people in KMC will die and experience this feeling first hand. It'll be ok because it'll be painless. Unless you die a painful death, lol
But to answer the thread question and yours, No. He wasn't in pain. If he was he'd mention it. He always said he wanted to take everything into account when his time came. Damn i forget the name of the book. I think it was just "Leonardo DaVinci".
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I do know that in the dieing that organs usually do fail one at a time. The brain being last........Though I guess if you're really lucky, your brain would be one of the first to go....Lucky Alzheimer's patients.
It depends on the amount of trauma you sustained.. but when push comes to shove, your nervous system shuts down from the other body systems shutting down... most likely death will not be felt.. the soul probably just dims and then goes out
the events that lead to death could be painful though.. but that refers to my statement about varying trauma
Exactly as SaTsuJin said. You just dim out. I think you feel less and less pain in the moments just before your body dies.
It seems seconds before dieing, it'll be like your involuntarily sleepy until soon enough you actually go to sleep and just stay that way for ever, experiencing no more pain, problems or worries ever again, for eternity. No more worrying about death.
I wonder what happens to the mind or conscious since both products aren't physical. I wonder if they dim out as well?
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I would take it that the mind/conscious would move on. If the mind is as powerful as science claims it to be, it could perhaps make itself a final destination...
because my opinion deems it so...
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Yes but since if it's our own conscious, will we still be apart of it after death? Or is consciousness just something thats not ours but is simply a separate entity that shares an ambiance with the mind that moves on after death.
Meaning if our conscious does move on and live on, does our person go with it and will we know who we were and who we are after physical death?
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It's an image worth pondering for a moment. Maybe, when you cut past the instrumental and songwriting virtuosity, the funny voices and characters, what is left is a man alone in his recording studio for days at a time.
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