GReater speed my ass. You have a scan of your guy blocking a couple shots with his sword, I have scans of my guy moving his whole body out of the way of shots at point blank.
Also, I've been looking around, and none of the sites I'm seeing (incuding yours) say anything about that sword actually absorbing energy. You're gonna have to somehow prove that little tidbit before we can continue in that vein.
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If you'd been paying attention, you'd have seen Vanth evade point-plank shots four times in the second scan I posted on page two. What should really be telling is that Dreadstar is my slowest guy, while Midnighter is your fastest.
Khell, you wound me. This isn't Zachrivard you're facing. I have the entire Starlin run of Dreadstar comics from Epic and First, the stand-alone graphic novels from Epic and Eclipse, about half the Peter David First issues, and Peter David miniseries from Bravura from the 90's. I won't have time for more scanning until tomorrow evening but rest assured, you'll get all the proof you need.
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Good luck. Especially after he parries and absorbs your lightsaber. His sword gets more powerful the more energy it absorbs.
Leto crawls 50 meters with 'a few swimming motions". He runs so fast that his feet, covered in bulletproof skin, begin to burn. He jumps stright up for 15 meters. Even better scenarion: GODLIKE goes Hulk style and jumps on Cyborg. Precog nullified, SC is cut in half by a chop from the lower atmosphere. (hey, Hulk jumps that high when calm... which is right around class 100)
Moving on to Grailnighter...
Have you proven that your chi field disintegrates anything really spectacular? Once again, the sword absorbs energy. Your field shouldn't be much different, every time he hits it, you get a little bit slower and weaker. You go for wide angle blasts, he counters with blasts of the same size. You port behind him, he has precog. Up close, he's many times stronger, faster, and more skilled. Lady Jessica, Leto's grandma, reversed a hold and pinned a guy before he could react. The people there thought she did it by magic, because they COULD NOT SEE how she was pinned one instant, and on top of the guy in the next. This is Bene Gesserit martial arts, and Jessica is nowhere near as good as Leto.
Hulk runs at above 300 mph. GODLIKE is nearly as strong, but not even close to as heavy, as a calm Hulk. Blur and a half, even to someone like MNer.
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The sword boosts Vanth's "athletic human" strength to that level. Benedict already has superhuman strength. In Leto II's sandtrout symbiote he's even stronger, though not by as much as 10-year-old Leto was boosted. Diminishing returns and all.
I'm not sure what your suggesting. The assumption I made was that for any two individuals bonded to the sandtrout, the stronger one would have to be ten times stronger initially to be twice as strong after the bonding. That's how most systems in nature work, and that's what the logarithmic term describes.
Leto II was boosted from "peak 10-year-old" to 5tons, maybe a bit more. For this math, I assumed 5 tons. That's something like a 100x or 200x multiplier, depending on how strong he was before. Of course, the sandtrout aren't 100% efficient, so Benedict won't be boosted anywhere near that much. Benedict's initial strength is unclear, I took a conservative estimate of a little over 2 tons. Assuming that relationship is like most things in nature, for every ten times stronger Benedict is than lil' Leto without the symbiote, he should be twice as strong as Leto with the trout; or around 9 tons.
Vanth's sword is supernatural, and looses no efficiency with greater input, at least in this range. 9*10=90tons.
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So you're already placing an assumption that befopre the bonding to the sandtrout one of them is ten times stronger than the other?
So if he's not then that means the bonding would not occur, which means there wouln't be amaglamation in the first place.
Even though there isn't a mention of his strength in the bios provided you automatically give him a boost up to 2 tons?
And what if its not?
And where in nature does such a thing occur?
Again assuming the strength without much to have shown for it as of yet.
Still working under your unproven assumptions in the first place. And then asserting them as fact.
The math that gave the under 1 ton weight doesn't agree with how you acheived that number either.
Using Marvel's "peak human" strength figure it'd be about 800 lbs lifting strength, or a bit more than twice their weight.
800 lbs * 10 is 8000 lbs or 4 tons. . .
800 lbs * 2.5 on the other hand would give you about 2000 lbs or 1 ton.
So even if your factoring is correct and the initial number is 9 tons the boost would put him at about 22.5 tons. . . not even a quarter of Hulks stregnth.
Someone was doing some number padding to boost their strength stat.
Summarized: It's high time GODLIKE was jumping on some b!tches...
Taking Leto at 5 tons is VERY conservative. Considering a vertical leap of 15 meters, from sand, would be a stretch for Spiderman. The fact that Leto runs about as fast as 15 or so tons of lifting strength should allow for, but has no other feats to back up his arm strength, makes me tone his actual bench down a little from Spiderman's 15 mark... I maintained 10 against Sentry, and will now. From THAT estimate, GODLIKE should be pressing double what Lam has him at: 180 tons. Even 90 tons would allow for massive jumping power, 180 makes Hulk style leaps pretty easy.
So Fever's done. If something with as little force as a blow dart can puncture his armor, a razor sharp, magic sword backed up by class 100 strength, falling from stories high should do it pretty easily. Enough to cut him in half, or pretty close to it.
Grailnighter can always "fall back" on his shield... Except that it's limited to titanium level strength, and Vanth's sword absorbs energy anyway. So either GODLIKE plays hit and run on the shield to build up a massive charge, while draining Grailnighter, I might add, or he starts chucking swords. If a tornado can put grass through a lightpole, GODLIKE can put razor sharp adamantium through a layer or three of titanium. Either way, Nighter's gon' die.
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Jumped... 15... meters. That's around 50 feet. From sand. Spiderman is supposed to jump about 35. The fact that Leto runs faster than his other strength feats should allow for led me to believe that he should be around 10, as opposed to the direct comparison between the two jumps. (which would put him around 20) He DID also smash through a big stone water container, and snapped a guy's neck with one hand. Oh, and he decapitated another Fremen with a punch. So he does have a good amount of strength, but no feats with an actual number to pin on. I estimate 10 tons, because of his leaping power. And mind you, this is STILL just Leto, not Benedict with Leto's sandtrout, and he definitely didn't have Dreadstar's sword.
And anyone with an exorbitant amount of strength will be able to run very fast, superspeed enhancing powers or not. Once again, Hulk runs at over 300mph when calm. GODLIKE should at least be equal to or above that, since he is much lighter than a calm Hulk.
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Just flesh and hair. Vampire flesh, alien flesh, Werewolf flesh. It burns organic matter, so wood and leather get damaged too.
You're underestimating two things: the level of energy I contian and the need for that chi to sustain me. The symbiote and Midnighter's enhanced body is where my strangth and speed come from, not the chi.
That blast in the scan wasn't actually that big. It flared out a bit upon initially leaving the sword, but it narrowed back down again. I, on the other hand, can unleash a 360 degree wave of chi, any bit of which that touches will burn and keep burning.
For this tourney, precog is not foolproof. At most, it lets you doge 7 out of 10. My enhancements, on the other hand, are under no such restrictions. each time I teleport, I can rematerialize with a portal Charged to redirect anything thrown at me.
Stronge is mildly debateable. Faster is ridiculous. I have the combined speed and reaction times of three bona fide energy dodgers. He has an edge in experience, but not skill. And, anyways, anything he can do, I will have already plotted out several ways to counterattack and executed the most efficient at speeds the human eye can't follow.
Wooow. That's like asking me to be impressed that Wolverine took down a group of Hand ninjas. Jobbers are jobbers. Comics or books it makes very little difference.
Please. Quicksilver would run CIRCLES around the Hulk, and he's nowhere near as strong. Physical power DOES NOT equal speed. You both need to accept that. Also: show me where it says that Hulk runs 300+ mph. Not so much that I don't believe you, but there was a debate on another board about how fast he could run and no one could think of a time when it was stated in comics.
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