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LIGHT SIDE DISCUSSION- Jedi Morality
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Ushgarak
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Your own views are one thing but the legal authority you actually hold is quite another.


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yup, and this thread is about Jedi Morality, and I think it's my duty to protect the innocent, the place is of no importance

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Ushgarak
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Right, so you think you are superior to the law, huh? Interesting but not very Jedi.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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I love the law and I love the Republic...

I haven't heared about the Damagran law of forbidden the Jedi to do their job

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Ushgarak
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Sigh...

Damagran is OUTSIDE THE REPUBLIC! You have NO legal jurisdiction there! It is NOT your job!


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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not my job enforced by the Republic, yes
doesn't mean I have to set there and get a beautysleep

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Ushgarak
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It's not your job full stop. Your job is to guard Peace and Justice in the Republic.

And no, it doesn't mean you should do nothing, but bear in mind that people will note that you are acting illegally.

As it stands the Jedi will be accused of provoking a Republican war with Damagran.


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The Jedi are not the lapdog of the Republic, they HELP them, doesn't mean they are 100% owned by them!

peace and justice in the republic, yes, and so you say we should let people get killed on other worlds?

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Ushgarak
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"A Jedi is not a creature of morals"

From the Code.

It is not your job to pass moral judgment on other cultures. Damagran has a culutre where Jedi do not keep the peace. By the Code you must respect that.

And yerssot, you are entirely wrong. The Jedi SERVE the Republic. They are SERVANTS. Effectively, the Republic does indeed own you.


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they don't own the jedi, the jedi help them in order to keep peace in the galaxy

where did you get that part of the code?

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No, the Jedi serve the Republic in keeping peace. As GL says, they are based on Federal Marshalls of the old west. They can be ordered by the Republic to do things.

Where? All over the bloody place, yerss. That's Odan-Urr's most controversial statement because some read it to mean that a Jedi can do no wrong.


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EU big grin

and an RP is NOT canon, like the sabrecolors, so as long as there is no written confirmation of the jedicode, it's all vague

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Well, I can tell you now, if you seriously think that you do not serve the Republic and are a law unto yourself you are no Jedi in my game. That makes you a Renegade.


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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I can tell you now, if you seriously think that you do not serve the Republic and are a law unto yourself you are no Jedi in my game. That makes you a Renegade.

we DO serve them but the jedis first task is to help the innocent THEN the Republic and since you are refering to EU things... read "The Stark Hyperspace Wars", in that Plo Koon literally says that the supreme chancellor asked them to help

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Well, GL's thing about them being Federal Marshalls clearly makes them serving the Republic, yerss, and that is that.

And you are NOT above the law, yerss. Your job is to protect the innocent BY defending the Republic. That is your primary concern. The Jedi Order is not presumptive enough to think that it has the right to dictate terms on the Galaxy. It is GIVEN authority, it does not take it, and the Jedi would not be stood for any other way.

BTW, I happily accept the Jedi Code as given in the EU.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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Looking through this interesting thread there is a question that I'd really like to know your views on.

At the start of Ush's second story the Jedi Council instructed the Lightsiders not to interfere with the war on Damogran. Without getting into arguments about whether you should follow the Council or follow your heart what are people's views on why the Council decided not to interfere? Do you think Mace, Yoda and that guy with the binary brain just followed the Republic's lead or do you think they had their own reasons why they thought you should not get involved.


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Oh, don't start making them THINK, Rich...

And it is Ki-Adi Mundi as you know full well!


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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I could remember the Mundi bit but not the rest.

How can you have an argument if the other guy doesn't think? Otherwise its just plain contradiction!


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Ushgarak
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No it isn't!

Um... we had better stop or no-one will answer your question...


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Are you now saying that we don't think Ush???


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