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OK, Burton is a moron when it comes to Batman...

OK, Burton is a moron when it comes to Batman...I just saw Batman (1989) for the first time since I was a kid and noticed that Batman has heavy artillery equipped in his Batmobile and Batwing (chainguns, explosives, etc.) and tried to gun down the Joker and blows up buildings.

The movies seemed really bad to me an I don't see why Batman fans like this movie. (Unlike the first Superman movie which seems to have represented him correctly.)

Batman doesn't use guns or gun people down. Thus, Burton is very foolish when he was representing this character.


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Well the stupidest part is that he locks on, fires missiles and shoots a hell of a lot of bullets at him...and misses. It'd have been more productive to just not have him fire at all.

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agreed. Ok, I seen Batman 89 about 3 times in my lifetime i think, one time in childhood, but when i rented it last month, I couldnt watch the whole thing! i couldnt sit through i just skipped chapters with boring dialogue...and stupid stuff...Bruce Wayne looking at people in his mansion through a mirror, stupid movie.


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Well the stupidest part is that he locks on, fires missiles and shoots a hell of a lot of bullets at him...and misses. It'd have been more productive to just not have him fire at all.


Yeah what the hell was that???

Batman fires like 10 missiles and a huge spray of bullets at Joker,and not one hits him.Not one.And Joker just stands there with his arms stretched out too.

Then Joker pulls out a long barrelled gun and knocks the Batwing out of the sky with one shot.

LMAO! big grin


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Yeah what the hell was that???

Batman fires like 10 missiles and a huge spray of bullets at Joker,and not one hits him.Not one.And Joker just stands there with his arms stretched out too.

Then Joker pulls out a long barrelled gun and knocks the Batwing out of the sky with one shot.

LMAO! big grin


laughing oh man that is pathetic. one shot took the batwing out laughing


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It is, its totally pathetic....however that gun is cool lol. But one shot takes out the plane? Psh. The movie is good overall but its nothing compared to what it could've been. You gotta love some of the dialogue though...

"HE TOOK MY BALLOONS!!!......WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME HE HAD ONE OF THOSE...THINGS!!!"

or even one of the simple ones people don't mention often:

"You look fiiiine."
"....I didn't ask."


Another stupid thing: Twice in the film, someone shoots Batman in the body armor and he lays down, then gets back up. What a waste of time.

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I don't see why it's so well regarded. I was just watching it yesterday and all I could think: It's campy. The fight scenes, on the whole, are pretty bad. The Batmobile looks downright silly. Keaton does not look the part, nor does he do a particularly good job with it. Same with the villain: I like Jack and all, but he's not playing the Joker. He's playing the same nut he plays in almost every movie, just this time he's grinning like an idiot all the time.


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I dont think getting shot at point blank range and taking a coupla minutes to recover is stupid.

If anything, thats one of the most believable points of the movie next to that one guy breathing to stay alive and the other guy using a pen to write with.

The batwing super arsenal of doom with the wonky targeting system however is kinda lame.

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Listen to commentary on the DVD. He said something about never reading the Batman comics. Strange enough, Burton gave us a dark illustration of Batman. Something that Bob Kane had envision about the character's personality.

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Well the stupidest part is that he locks on, fires missiles and shoots a hell of a lot of bullets at him...and misses. It'd have been more productive to just not have him fire at all.


I think Batman missed on purpose. To test the Joker's reaction as he is under attack. But Joker wasn't fearless...he was just plain psychotic.


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Listen to commentary on the DVD. He said something about never reading the Batman comics. Strange enough, Burton gave us a dark illustration of Batman. Something that Bob Kane had envision about the character's personality.

I think Batman missed on purpose. To test the Joker's reaction as he is under attack. But Joker wasn't fearless...he was just plain psychotic.


You're defending Burton too much to the point that you are starting to sound ridiculous.


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You're defending Burton too much to the point that you are starting to sound ridiculous.


There is nothing wind dancer says that sounds rediculous.

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Then Joker pulls out a long barrelled gun and knocks the Batwing out of the sky with one shot.


That was a HUGE Barrel.

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That was a HUGE Barrel.


Don't be ridiculous.It was just a long barrel.Not huge just long.

He folded it back into a regular sized gun in the cathedral when he was walking up the stairs with Vicki.


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You're defending Burton too much to the point that you are starting to sound ridiculous.


And you fail to give credit where is due. Burton may have committed some errors in the film. However, give credit to the man for transforming and re-introducing The Caped Crusader as a dark and terrifying heroic character that Bob Kane had originally intended. Watch the documentaries of the DVD. Batman had many changes over the course of many decades. Burton's illustration of Batman did justice for the character.

Remenber! prior to the release of the 1989 film. Many people regarded Batman as the colorful and corny hero of the 1960's TV series. Thanks to Burton the franchise was re-born only to be flatten out by Joel in the 1997 film. And Thank the heavens Nolan for rescuing the franchise from falling into oblivion.


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Remenber! prior to the release of the 1989 film. Many people regarded Batman as the colorful and corny hero of the 1960's TV series. Thanks to Burton the franchise was re-born only to be flatten out by Joel in the 1997 film. And Thank the heavens Nolan for rescuing the franchise from falling into oblivion.


Most definatley. It was able to transform from Adam west all the way to Christian bale, thanks to Burton.

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Remenber! prior to the release of the 1989 film. Many people regarded Batman as the colorful and corny hero of the 1960's TV series. Thanks to Burton the franchise was re-born only to be flatten out by Joel in the 1997 film. And Thank the heavens Nolan for rescuing the franchise from falling into oblivion. [/B]

We note that this applies solely to film adaptations. Frank Miller and others before him had ensured Batman's comics got the grim treatment for some years earlier.
Inasmuch as Batman ('89) was a remarkable improvement from Adam West's time, I recognize that that's indisputable. In that they tried to do all the right things with Batman, I agree. It went for the right tone, the right aesthetic. They just did a poor job of it.
Credit where it is due, though. The film inspired Batman The Animated Series. That show being the ultimate non-comic expression of Batman, I thank my lucky stars that Burton made his film even though I can't make myself like the movie itself.


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Many Batman fans despise Adam West role as Batman. I've talk to some of them and they really hate it. I still love those cheesy one liners and comic situations he and Robin would get into it. That tv show may have been corny but I love it. laughing out loud


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Adam West's Batman, along with a long list of other programs including The A-Team, are fantastic and entertaining. Not because they are well made but because they're just so damned campy


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There is nothing wind dancer says that sounds rediculous.

laughing Oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me. laughing confused laughing confused


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