The animated series we got in the 90's was thanks to Burton and his Batman.
Looking back, it seems we were so glad his Batman was dark and not campy, that it was just good enough, we liked it too much. Looking at Burton's role in the failed Superman 5, I'm shocked at his lack of respect for comics; did he just do Batman because he loves German expressionism-style movies? The use of arms by Batman was different but not out of place; originally, the character was ruthless about fighting crime, and if he inadvertantly killed a hoodlum, oh well. Michael Keaton wasn't the best physical choice, but actualty convinced me. But its all water under the bridge now, because we have a great work in Batman Begins, which feels like the Batman I've truly waited for. Thanks to Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer and Christian Bale.
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I don't understand the argument here. ALL of the Batman movies suck for one reason or another. The real problem is that Hollywood can't make a movie based on comic books without changing the character and/or their history. Name any movie based on a comic book that this hasn't been the case. At least give Burton credit for taking what was at the time a risk and making a movie about a character who everybody remembered from a corny television show.
yeah have you even seen Batman Begins? when you say ALL the batman movies suck,you must mean the Burton/Schuamcher Batman movies right? Because you would be correct on that point.Begins is the ONLY one that wasnt crap though.Hollwood finally redeemed themselves with the nightmare burton/schumacher batman franchise with Begins.
One of the reasons why I like Batman is that he was a self-motivated guy who dedicated himself to be the best crime-fighter he could be. From an early age he pushed himself physically and intellectually until he developed himself into an Olympic class athlete and the world's greatest detective.
In the movie, Bruce Wayne is basically just a moody street thug until Ras al Ghul takes him from the prison and trains him to be a ninja assassin. At no time in the movie do I get the impression that Bruce is smarter than the average guy. This isn't a guy who can take on the level of criminals we see in the comics. To me the guy in the movie is more like Marvel's Nomad than he is Batman. That ruined it for me.
A couple of minor issues I had were his being trained by Ras al Ghul, the whole Katie Holmes thing when they should have had Harvey Dent, and the ending with the teaser about the Joker. One of the reasons why the Joker is one of Batman's main adversaries is because Batman is responsible for Joker looking the way he does.
As I said in another thread I don't expect the movies to follow plotlines word for word, but at least have a script writer who has some respect for the character's background. Hollywood always changes something whenever they adapt something to a movie. This is just MY opinion.
You're right, but just how many people in the world are there that read Millar's work (or even know who he is), compared to those who saw the movie? Millar did good for the fans, but Burton did good for the mainstream.
I like Burton as a director, but as others have said, he didnt make the right choices with Batman, however I'm captivated by the idea of scary clowns running around in the snow, and guys falling through windows into a greenhouse of roses, as pathetic as that may be.
Batman Begins is a great film, the best i have seen yet this year, however I still feel i lacked that little bit extra, im not sure what but it just doesnt seem whole fto me for some reason.
I'm not to keen on the 'league of shadows' origin either, it all seems a bit cliché, but I dont actually no too much about Batman so...meh
They obviously got the idea of the costume and the 3 fingers for the penguin from devitos's penguin.Thank god they didnt make him like like a ghost though and didnt put all the stupid makeup on him that devito had in the movie.This penguin still looks human at least,Burtons Penguin looked like a monster,which was the intention of that idiot burton,to make him into a sewer dwelling monster.I really hope the rumors are true that Penguin is going to be in the next batman begins film,because he will do penguins character justice.
Since people around here feel the need to resurrect old dead threads around here where the discussion ended ages ago,then I can play that game. at least the last post for this one wasnt over two months aog or even longer like some of them are that have been brought back.
The 1989 Batman movie wasn't that great, and probably should have been called "The Joker" because it's obvious that's who Burton was telling the story about, likewise Batman Returns was a movie led along by villains as well.
Overall the movie sucked, the images and stuff were badass, scenery and all... what it came down to, is that Jack Nicholson is the shiznit.
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I don't know how I missed this one:
Err..HELLO BACK! Have you heard of a man called Bob Kane? He created Batman! He made the original Batman a darker and more intense character. Frank Miller re-invented actually... NO re-introduce the original Batman Costume. Nothing more!
Look above will ya. In the comic book community Frank Miller gave us a re-introduction of a dark batman. He also gaves us an origin to the Batman. However, Burton made a dark Batman for the General Audience. You know the movie goers. The people that pay a ticket to go see a show. I'm sure you've heard of them. Tim Burton directed a movie NOT a comic book.
"One of the reasons the Joker is Batman's greatest enemy is that Batman is responsible for the way the Joker looks"
Wrong, Bushwacker, that's 1 possible origin of the Joker, iin his sick mind he probably invents multiple origins. I'm guessing your the kind of guy who reckons another reason they're enemies is that Joker killed batman's parents (well that is sodding Burton only! And he never even read a comic in his life.)
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