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Doc Ock
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Did you see The Penguin in that animated series?? wink

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Tell me DeVito's Penguin did not inspire that.


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The animated series we got in the 90's was thanks to Burton and his Batman.
Looking back, it seems we were so glad his Batman was dark and not campy, that it was just good enough, we liked it too much. Looking at Burton's role in the failed Superman 5, I'm shocked at his lack of respect for comics; did he just do Batman because he loves German expressionism-style movies? The use of arms by Batman was different but not out of place; originally, the character was ruthless about fighting crime, and if he inadvertantly killed a hoodlum, oh well. Michael Keaton wasn't the best physical choice, but actualty convinced me. But its all water under the bridge now, because we have a great work in Batman Begins, which feels like the Batman I've truly waited for. Thanks to Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer and Christian Bale.


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His cape sucks. It somehow 'magically' allows him to glide.

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I don't understand the argument here. ALL of the Batman movies suck for one reason or another. The real problem is that Hollywood can't make a movie based on comic books without changing the character and/or their history. Name any movie based on a comic book that this hasn't been the case. At least give Burton credit for taking what was at the time a risk and making a movie about a character who everybody remembered from a corny television show.


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I don't understand the argument here. ALL of the Batman movies suck for one reason or another.


Just out of curiosity,why do you think Batman Begins sucks???


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yeah have you even seen Batman Begins? when you say ALL the batman movies suck,you must mean the Burton/Schuamcher Batman movies right? Because you would be correct on that point.Begins is the ONLY one that wasnt crap though.Hollwood finally redeemed themselves with the nightmare burton/schumacher batman franchise with Begins.


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His cape sucks. It somehow 'magically' allows him to glide.


The way his cape worked was explained the second time he went to see Lucious Fox. Just about everything in that movie had some kind of explaination in one form or another.

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I don't understand the argument here. ALL of the Batman movies suck for one reason or another. The real problem is that Hollywood can't make a movie based on comic books without changing the character and/or their history. Name any movie based on a comic book that this hasn't been the case. At least give Burton credit for taking what was at the time a risk and making a movie about a character who everybody remembered from a corny television show.


Sin City's the only one so far, but I think it might've been easier to do the way the stories were originally done.


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I hated Burtons Batman, nothing matches the Schwartz/ Austin Batman of the seventies. The reprints are in black and white, simply stated they are awesome.


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And you fail to give credit where is due. Burton may have committed some errors in the film. However, give credit to the man for transforming and re-introducing The Caped Crusader as a dark and terrifying heroic character that Bob Kane had originally intended. Watch the documentaries of the DVD. Batman had many changes over the course of many decades. Burton's illustration of Batman did justice for the character.

Remenber! prior to the release of the 1989 film. Many people regarded Batman as the colorful and corny hero of the 1960's TV series. Thanks to Burton the franchise was re-born only to be flatten out by Joel in the 1997 film. And Thank the heavens Nolan for rescuing the franchise from falling into oblivion.

Wrong. Frank Miller did more for Batman's "dark" image than the overrated "I don't read Batman comics" Burton.

And did you really find the Burton Batman so dark ? confused


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Just out of curiosity,why do you think Batman Begins sucks???


One of the reasons why I like Batman is that he was a self-motivated guy who dedicated himself to be the best crime-fighter he could be. From an early age he pushed himself physically and intellectually until he developed himself into an Olympic class athlete and the world's greatest detective.

In the movie, Bruce Wayne is basically just a moody street thug until Ras al Ghul takes him from the prison and trains him to be a ninja assassin. At no time in the movie do I get the impression that Bruce is smarter than the average guy. This isn't a guy who can take on the level of criminals we see in the comics. To me the guy in the movie is more like Marvel's Nomad than he is Batman. That ruined it for me.

A couple of minor issues I had were his being trained by Ras al Ghul, the whole Katie Holmes thing when they should have had Harvey Dent, and the ending with the teaser about the Joker. One of the reasons why the Joker is one of Batman's main adversaries is because Batman is responsible for Joker looking the way he does.

As I said in another thread I don't expect the movies to follow plotlines word for word, but at least have a script writer who has some respect for the character's background. Hollywood always changes something whenever they adapt something to a movie. This is just MY opinion.


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One of the reasons why I like Batman is that he was a self-motivated guy who dedicated himself to be the best crime-fighter he could be. From an early age he pushed himself physically and intellectually until he developed himself into an Olympic class athlete and the world's greatest detective.

In the movie, Bruce Wayne is basically just a moody street thug until Ras al Ghul takes him from the prison and trains him to be a ninja assassin. At no time in the movie do I get the impression that Bruce is smarter than the average guy. This isn't a guy who can take on the level of criminals we see in the comics. To me the guy in the movie is more like Marvel's Nomad than he is Batman. That ruined it for me.

A couple of minor issues I had were his being trained by Ras al Ghul, the whole Katie Holmes thing when they should have had Harvey Dent, and the ending with the teaser about the Joker. One of the reasons why the Joker is one of Batman's main adversaries is because Batman is responsible for Joker looking the way he does.

As I said in another thread I don't expect the movies to follow plotlines word for word, but at least have a script writer who has some respect for the character's background. Hollywood always changes something whenever they adapt something to a movie. This is just MY opinion.


Those are excellent points.

I agree on all.


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Wrong. Frank Miller did more for Batman's "dark" image than the overrated "I don't read Batman comics" Burton.

And did you really find the Burton Batman so dark ? confused


You're right, but just how many people in the world are there that read Millar's work (or even know who he is), compared to those who saw the movie? Millar did good for the fans, but Burton did good for the mainstream.


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I like Burton as a director, but as others have said, he didnt make the right choices with Batman, however I'm captivated by the idea of scary clowns running around in the snow, and guys falling through windows into a greenhouse of roses, as pathetic as that may be.

Batman Begins is a great film, the best i have seen yet this year, however I still feel i lacked that little bit extra, im not sure what but it just doesnt seem whole fto me for some reason.

I'm not to keen on the 'league of shadows' origin either, it all seems a bit cliché, but I dont actually no too much about Batman so...meh


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Did you see The Penguin in that animated series?? wink

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Tell me DeVito's Penguin did not inspire that.



They obviously got the idea of the costume and the 3 fingers for the penguin from devitos's penguin.Thank god they didnt make him like like a ghost though and didnt put all the stupid makeup on him that devito had in the movie.This penguin still looks human at least,Burtons Penguin looked like a monster,which was the intention of that idiot burton,to make him into a sewer dwelling monster.I really hope the rumors are true that Penguin is going to be in the next batman begins film,because he will do penguins character justice.


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heh, the Penguin hung out in the sewers with the Joker's old clown buddies and rode around in a rubber ducky boat LOL


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Since people around here feel the need to resurrect old dead threads around here where the discussion ended ages ago,then I can play that game. big grin at least the last post for this one wasnt over two months aog or even longer like some of them are that have been brought back.


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more childish behaviour? lol...so funny actually but also annoying
you can't turn around what Burton did, you didn't like it...GET OVER IT!stick out tongue


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The 1989 Batman movie wasn't that great, and probably should have been called "The Joker" because it's obvious that's who Burton was telling the story about, likewise Batman Returns was a movie led along by villains as well.

Overall the movie sucked, the images and stuff were badass, scenery and all... what it came down to, is that Jack Nicholson is the shiznit.


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I don't know how I missed this one:

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Um Hello?! have you heard of a man called Frank Miller and a graphic novel called the Dark Knight Returns?! Burton wasn't the first one to do this 'dark and terrifying theme' with the Batman character. I don't care what Burtons intensions were with this character on the DVD, Keaton didn't play Batman as dark as terrifying as you think he did.


Err..HELLO BACK! Have you heard of a man called Bob Kane? He created Batman! He made the original Batman a darker and more intense character. Frank Miller re-invented actually... NO re-introduce the original Batman Costume. Nothing more!


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"Wrong. Frank Miller did more for Batman's "dark" image than the overrated "I don't read Batman comics" Burton.

And did you really find the Burton Batman so dark ?


Look above will ya. In the comic book community Frank Miller gave us a re-introduction of a dark batman. He also gaves us an origin to the Batman. However, Burton made a dark Batman for the General Audience. You know the movie goers. The people that pay a ticket to go see a show. I'm sure you've heard of them. Tim Burton directed a movie NOT a comic book.


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"One of the reasons the Joker is Batman's greatest enemy is that Batman is responsible for the way the Joker looks"
Wrong, Bushwacker, that's 1 possible origin of the Joker, iin his sick mind he probably invents multiple origins. I'm guessing your the kind of guy who reckons another reason they're enemies is that Joker killed batman's parents (well that is sodding Burton only! And he never even read a comic in his life.)


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