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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Before you can say something is an objective truth you have to prove it.
I would say that, as far as my simple understanding of reality, I would call it an "Objective Truth".

How can you prove something..if you don't assume that "Absolute Truths" exist?

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So, what is your point?

That "Absolute Truth" exists.

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How can you prove something..if you don't assume that "Absolute Truths" exist?

That "Absolute Truth" exists.

You cannot, and why would you even try?

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You cannot, and why would you even try?

Shaky..please answer this question...

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How can you prove something..if you don't assume that "Absolute Truths" exist?

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Shaky..please answer this question...

I did... you cannot prove something absolutely.

I hope you are not just going to start bashing me now, If you do, I will report you.

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I did... you cannot prove something absolutely.

Are you "absolutely" sure of that?

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Are you "absolutely" sure of that?

I am a simple human and you are asking a big question.

I like the little trap you have discovered; how can I be absolutely sure that nothing can be absolutely proven? Nice word game, but that is all it is.

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I am a simple human and you are asking a big question.

I like the little trap you have discovered; how can I be absolutely sure that nothing can be absolutely proven? Nice word game, but that is all it is.

So are you "absolutely" certain that there are "no absolute truths"? A simple yes or no will do.

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So are you absolutely sure that there are "no absolute truths"? A simple yes or no will do.

I see your word game, so stop trying to spring the trap. If we had this conversation in a different language, the trap would not work.

This is what I believe: all life is an illusion, however, there is a true nature to reality and humans cannot understand this truth. So, there is a absolute truth, but neither you or I know what it is.

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What is the point of this thread? The mathematical equation is correct, however it has never been proven and will never be proven.

xx + xx = xxxx

Simply add them together using visuals. Wouldn't that be proof?

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xx + xx = xxxx

Simply add them together using visuals. Wouldn't that be proof?

I guess so. If that makes you happy, then go for it. But I don�t think that is the underlying point, you will have to ask whobdamandog, it is his thread.

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his point is intelligent design is a valid theory by way of this.......

I hope that this is not the case, as that would be kinda pathetic.

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Whobdamandog, Absolute truth is hard to talk about, so let me give you my little word game;

Considering that the Earth is spinning and going around the sun, the sun is moving through the galaxy and the galaxy is moving through the universe, how fast do you have to go to stand still?

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So, there is a absolute truth, but neither you or I know what it is.

Shaky my friend you are contradicting yourself again.

FYI an illusion represents something that is false.

How can our reality be made up of falsehoods..if it's nature is based on "Truths"? Please explain...

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Relatavists would argue that the system in which 2 + 2 = 4 was created by people whose perceptions might be flawed. 2 + 2 might in fact equal 5 but our perceptions are being constantly distorted so we do not realise our mistake.

Or they might not.

This kind of very basic philisophical set-up was handled by Descartes centuries ago. It is possible to successfully doubt that 2 + 2 actually equals 4 so it cannot be absolute.

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(1) X=Y
(2) X2 = XY
(3) X2 - Y2 = XY-Y2
(4) (X+Y) (X-Y) = Y(X-Y)
(5) X+Y = Y
(6) 2Y = Y
(7) 4 = 2

Therfore 2 + 2 = 8

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Shaky my friend you are contradicting yourself.

FYI an illusion represents something that is false.

How can our reality be based on falsehoods..if it's nature is based on "Truths"? Please explain...

Have you ever seen an optical illusion like this one? What is false about this?

Illusions are not false it is us who can not see then correctly, therefore the foundation of you question is erroneous.

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I guess so. If that makes you happy, then go for it. But I don�t think that is the underlying point, you will have to ask whobdamandog, it is his thread.

As I've already stated...my argument has been that "Absolute Truths" do exist within life. Your arguments have been that these "truths" are mere illusions to man, and beyond his ability to comprehend. Afro pretty much shot down both of your arguments with his example.

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There is no Philisophical way to prove the existence of absolute truth- and so by extension, no process of logical reasoning that will do it either.

Dec 2nd, 2005 12:53 AM

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As I've already stated...my argument has been that "Absolute Truths" do exist within life. Your arguments have been that these "truths" are mere illusions to man, and beyond his ability to comprehend. Afro pretty much shot down both of your arguments with his example.

So we both agree that there is an absolute truth, the disagreement is that rather we can understand it.

Afro pretty�s statement; how did it shoot down our arguments?

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Illusions are not false it is us who can not see then correctly, therefore the foundation of you question is erroneous.

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Illusion

An erroneous perception of reality.
An erroneous concept or belief.
The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief.
Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception.

FYI Erroneous means false my friend.

So again Shaky..is it of your opinion that reality is made up of falsehoods, however..these falsehoods are based on "absolute truths"?

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