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Tom breevort speaks on the beyonders!

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Breevort's a ****.


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ROFLMAO!

Starbrand DIED fighting ONE Beyonder. Thor and Hyperion went down like champs vs HUNDREDS (thousands?) of Beyonders! FAIL. Still think Hickman's SB is beyond herald level Carver? roll eyes (sarcastic)


Starbrand was snuck attacked. Wasn't a head on kill. Starbrand killed the same Beyonder that was toying with Thor and Hyperion. Killed him in a single attack. So yes, he is far above Herald levels.


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Starbrand didn't actively kill him you dolt.

All of the energies he had were released.


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Breevort's a ****.


Such a political answer lol.


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Breevort's a hero for that answer. You do realize that he has an incredibly delicate balance to manage, yeah? He has to defend those he works with, the company he works for, but answer fans in a way that will appease the harsher elements of the fandom. Or rather, the more casual elements of the fandom. Because the fans calling him a **** on internet forums are rarely going to be appeased on anything long-term, and they're the least of his concerns. We're not the demographic. We're the ones who are following this stuff regardless. Breevort's only worried about not f*cking up the answer to create a bigger sh*tstorm, and making sure he's doing nothing to upset the bottom line (money) which, let's be honest, is primarily targeted at the 16-year-old kid who recently watched the Thor films, and just got to see his hero die heroically against legions of abstract beings. F*ck power levels, that kid just went to bed last night dreaming of taking on a thousand Beyonders in glorious battle.


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Breevort's a hero for that answer. You do realize that he has an incredibly delicate balance to manage, yeah? He has to defend those he works with, the company he works for, but answer fans in a way that will appease the harsher elements of the fandom. Or rather, the more casual elements of the fandom. Because the fans calling him a **** on internet forums are rarely going to be appeased on anything long-term, and they're the least of his concerns. We're not the demographic. We're the ones who are following this stuff regardless. Breevort's only worried about not f*cking up the answer to create a bigger sh*tstorm, and making sure he's doing nothing to upset the bottom line (money) which, let's be honest, is primarily targeted at the 16-year-old kid who recently watched the Thor films, and just got to see his hero die heroically against legions of abstract beings. F*ck power levels, that kid just went to bed last night dreaming of taking on a thousand Beyonders in glorious battle.


I'm not following his stuff regardless.

I dropped all my marvel books in protest of their shit-tanic.

This is the dime-a-dozen answer you always drop whenever people pick up on consistency errors.

It's entirely possible to write a good comic and be consistent in power levels. Having no clue when it comes to internal consistency has nothing to do with making sales or whatever. It's bad writing, plain and simple.

P.S. Breevort's a **** because he acts like one.


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I'm not following his stuff regardless.

I dropped all my marvel books in protest of their shit-tanic.

This is the dime-a-dozen answer you always drop whenever people pick up on consistency errors.

It's entirely possible to write a good comic and be consistent in power levels. Having no clue when it comes to internal consistency has nothing to do with making sales or whatever. It's bad writing, plain and simple.

P.S. Breevort's a **** because he acts like one.


There are instances where this is true, so I'm not in total disagreement, but many more where the power levels can - and should - serve the narrative, not the other way around. My leniency for such matters is far greater than most others, because I don't invest much into definite power levels for characters. But I don't think it's that they're unaware of internal consistency. It's that I think they don't care...rightly so, in many cases.

Nevermind that we don't actually have an explanation for the feat(s). As others have posited, there are potential explanations that, while they may not please you, at least put the showing in an appropriate context.

Back to Breevort, I won't speak to the entirety of his work. But on this particular answer, I can't imagine an answer from a PR perspective that would do any better.


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I disagree. There are instances where this is true, so I'm not in total disagreement, but many more where the power levels can - and should - serve the narrative, not the other way around. My leniency for such matters is far greater than most others, because I don't invest much into definite power levels for characters.

Nevermind that we don't actually have an explanation for the feat(s). As others have posited, there are potential explanations that, while they may not please you, at least put the showing in an appropriate context.

Back to Breevort, I won't speak to the entirety of his work. But on this particular answer, I can't imagine an answer from a PR perspective that would do any better.


I was the first one to point out that they looked more like drone-beyonders and not the real deal, that's not the point though.

The point is that you shouldn't just forgive terrible internal consistency "because of the narrative". It eventually kills any sense of suspension and like I said, speaks to poor planning/writing.

Breevort's explanation was not that. His explanation was "weaknesses!", which only applies to the Ex Nihilio/Abyss incident.


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I was the first one to point out that they looked more like drone-beyonders and not the real deal, that's not the point though.

The point is that you shouldn't just forgive terrible internal consistency "because of the narrative". It eventually kills any sense of suspension and like I said, speaks to poor planning/writing.

Breevort's explanation was not that. His explanation was "weaknesses!", which only applies to the Ex Nihilio/Abyss incident.


Fair enough. I don't want to get too deep into this, because I'm not too concerned over it. My only point is that, on the whole, the hardcore elements of the fandom aren't his first concern, and that there are personal and political forces in play that mitigate any response he gives to such questions. Obviously he could have put the feats in more context. But my contention is that there are good reasons for him not to do so, and many of them are likely ones we're not privy to.

Outside a guy like Morrison, who will wax philosophic on his own creations at length, I'm not sure why we expect much out of these writer blurbs anyway.


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Fair enough. I don't want to get too deep into this, because I'm not too concerned over it. My only point is that, on the whole, the hardcore elements of the fandom aren't his first concern, and that there are personal and political forces in play that mitigate any response he gives to such questions. Obviously he could have put the feats in more context. But my contention is that there are good reasons for him not to do so, and many of them are likely ones we're not privy to.

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Outside a guy like Morrison, who will wax philosophic on his own creations at length, I'm not sure why we expect much out of these writer blurbs anyway.

I have no expectations of that fat turd, I just don't think Hickman's terrible writing should be excused with "the narrative!".


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I also think we're a bit too reactionary. We shouldn't be able to get upset about something until, say, 3 more issues have come out. The number of times characters have been declared abstract/Skyfather/etc. following a feat, only to have context added later that brings it back down, is lulz-worthy. I'm not saying everyone is at fault with doing that, and this may not be one of those times. But still.

There was a Spidey comic years ago (somewhere around Civil War) that had an obvious continuity error where Mary Jane healed from something that should have lasted months, but was gone and forgotten the next issue. So after ridiculous fan backlash, they put a panel in the next comic about how she managed to heal so fast, followed by Pete and Tony staring at the reader with sort of a roll eyes (sarcastic) look. Hilarious stuff.


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Tom breevort speaks on the beyonders!

http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.co...ders-could-wipe
As somebody who used to read Tom Brevoort's posts 1-2 years ago, I can safely say he is just a lapdog with no backbone, disguised as a troll.


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Tom breevort speaks on the beyonders!

http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.co...ders-could-wipe
His analogy(or w/e you want to call it) makes no f*cking sense.


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If you throw kryptonite at Superman, he’s going to double over and collapse.

If you throw kryptonite at Batman, he’s going to laugh at you and then beat the hell out of you.

Does this mean that Batman is more powerful than Superman?

We need to stop thinking of these power relationships in such simple linear and black and white terms. if real life worked like that, there’d be no need for sporting events of any kind—you could tell which person or team was going to win without a game, from just looking at the stats.

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Is he trying to say Earth based Physiology>>>>>>Cosmics/ abstracts?

Is he high or what?

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His analogy(or w/e you want to call it) makes no f*cking sense.


No it makes complete sense. Another example, if I throw logic at you, you will understand as you use logic yourself. If I threw logic say...oh I don't know at...carver? He was curl up in a puddle of his own Urine screaming he's not listening. Makes sense to me

What was my point again? Oh right...carver sucks. Yeah that's what it was


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