not true there just solar energy.
never been stated to move any were never light speed.
if they indeed moved at light speed then how does magneto deflex them?
Oh and in the one "where Wolverine hesitated" he only even got near Cyclops because Cyclops left Wolverine face-first in the water, had his back turned and was focused on fighting Sauron.
magneto's powers operate at the speed of thought, letting him construct or deconstruct magnetic fields with only a whim. match that with a lifetime of anticipation, and he'd be able to effectively anticipate and block cyclops' optic beams.
wolverine's powers operate at the speed of his body, requiring his mind to not only register a threat, but also for his brain to respond and send the proper electrical signals through his body, plus the time it takes to displace his body. that is considerably more time than magneto's powers require, and considerably more time than quicksilver's would.
you have no proof that cyke's powers are "slower than normal lasers," though i have the educated opinion of at least one comic fanatic (and moderator at uncannyxmen.net) saying they move at approximately the speed of light. i would bet money that there's sufficient evidence to back their opinion, though i'd bet better money that there's none to back yours.
also, while electricity moves at the same speed as light, electrons do not. so, unless the living lightning's powers are revamped so that he manipulates the sparse electronic "filaments" that extend between all matter on earth, his lightning bolts are nearly as fast as is light, thus not nearly as fast as cyke's optic blasts.
and, lastly, you cannot excuse away a canon fact. cyclops has fought wolverine, and wolverine has not won. perhaps by your definition scott didn't win either, though i'd consider tossing around a 300-pound sack of metal bones a pretty decent victory, but wolverine clearly does not win. that is inarguable FACT. i'm sorry if that's a harsh reality to come to grips with, but it is reality nonetheless.
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to try and debate with wolvie8888 is pointless you can only be in the same wavelenght if you say yeah wolverine is the best, thats the guy who thinks wolvie can take on godzilla for godsake
in 616 they've never had a proper fight. Cyclops has had the upper hand in hostile or semi hostile encounters.
In pure h2h melee( which would be really stupid on cyclops's part if he's not depowered as the reason he's not using his blasts) Wolverine would have the upper hand. . this has of course as has been mentioned been covered at length in the respective vs thread. All out with powers Cyclops is fast and accurate enough to shoot through the fissure through which the optic nerve passes through to hit the brain.
"****ed up" or not, wolverine still lost. you can cushion your argument as much as you'd like, saying this, that or the other unproven thing, but it's still canon fact that cyclops has beaten wolverine. more than once. putting in adjectives as excuses doesn't change the fact that it happened.
not true. ur using a wolverine who has been both times no wer enear his best once he beening mind controlled and another he lost all his will to live and fight.
sicne u are using a mess up wolverine and counting his fights as losses how about I use a cyclopes beign controlled the same way?
(x-men lost tales #2) mastermind controled night crawler, colossus, strom, banshee and jean all attack wolverine. wolverine manages to defeat all but jean.
also there always death wolverine vs cyclopes were wolverine ko cyclopes as all so I realy don't see how cyclopes from the showing has any better chance of winning then wolverine.
you didn't include cyclops in the lost tales list. i'm not familiar with the story, so either it has no bearing as cyke wasn't there, or you're just bad at arguing. and i haven't argued against cyclops losing to an apocalypse-manipulated logan. i'm merely arguing the point that cyclops has beaten wolverine, and you saying it shouldn't count doesn't change the fact that it does. also, cyclops has a natural advantage of range, which is inarguably an advantage in any fight.
so cyclops has proven capable of defeating wolverine with and without his powers, AND his powers give him the natural advantage in a fight between the two. as the thread's title should indicate, cyclops wins.
aww shit im an idiot cyclopes was there in (x-men losttales #2) he was defeated along with colossus storm banshee and nightcrawler.
cyclopes never beat wolverine with out his powers he never koed him.
wolverine has clearly ko cyclopes twice when cyclopes was using his powers.
I believe wolverine wins but I not saying I am correct. I just saying that based on the evidence i have seen I think wolverine would take the fight more times then not.
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