"It's amazing how stupid people can be on such obvious shit!"
Please, give me a break you hypocrite.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Dec 29th, 2005 at 03:48 AM
I can understand what you're saying (the name calling excluded which is totally unnecessary). But your points are exactly what disappoints me now:
1. I see Dooku in the PT, at least as old as (if not older than) OB1 and yet: very fast and agile.
2. I see Grievous in the PT, more machine than Vader and yet: fast, speedy, nimble..
3. Yes there are decades aparts, yet they are one story. You're not going to film the book Scarlett with Rhett and Scarlet driving around in fast ferrari's and visiting house parties, just because GWTW and Scarlett are some 60 years apart. They still play in the same story era and that era has rules. The same should go for SW. Technoligy has advanced... we know that b(Luke's hand compared to Anakin's for instance) but not that much. Vader should have at least have some slightly technically advanced armour by the time of the OT, yet he does not...
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Dooku was coming up.
He had the darkside, wich was gaining in power in the PT, and the psycological ambitions of becoming the next emporer.
Obi is a whipped old dog. His friends all died. His brother/student is the reason. He failed. and Until Luke becomes strong, the light side isn't really coming to anybody's aide. Namely his. Plus, I still think his duel with vader in ep4 was about distraction for luke's escape, and to get "closure" on what happened with anakin.
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oh, and grievous is almost 80% robot, like his bodyguards, but with a brain, eyes,and guts. So he really is just the best fighting droid ever made, and as such, should be expected to be agile, nimble, quick,etc....
Vader is half a man, all chopped up and pieced together, whose artificial life supports, anger, and a cool sense of self-hatred keep him going.
When you take that into consideration, his raw power and fighting moves, (especially in ESB) are friggin AWESOME.
As for the difference in the look of the movies with the advances of technology..... Hmm. Don't have any good answer for that.
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Queeq: " I see Dooku in the PT, at least as old as (if not older than) OB1 and yet: very fast and agile."
Oh, and another thought, having the darkside with him, which by all accounts, helps prolong life and energy, may have helped.
Whilst Obi-wan had the lightside, and knew that he would survive in a far greater way by joining the force didnt really try to do more than keep vader engaged in that fight,(untill spotting Luke)
We never seen OT Vader actually fight anyone. When he battled Ben in ANH Ben allowed Vader to kill himself and most of the time they were talking. Vader wan't trying to kill Luke in ESB just capture him for the Emperor. And Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke in ROTJ or else he would have done so when they were alone before boarding the shuttle.
Yeah, just because the movies don't portray Lucas' original intention as good as they could have done now doesn't mean Vader and Obi Wan are suddenly slow crippled old geezers.
As if the PT shows everything intended in the basic idea of SW. If we would go with what 'seems' then we can also act like padawan Obi Wan can beat both Vader and Obi Wan from the OT.
All what seems to be the case in SW can just be discarded (including all theories regarding) as it is a movie and Lucas still can't put his personal vision and intention as perfectly imagined.
Age and (apperantly) cybernetic implants don't mean much in science fiction such as SW. Yoda and all other old guys could use the force to overcome potential limitations and it was never originally intended that people such as Grievous and Vader would actually be held back in fluently moving and lifting up arms.
You don't see those guys having trouble to pick up people for example (on the contrary!) and even Vader being less powerful was only made up later by Lucas and he only states that Vader lost force potential wich had to do with his body apperantly.
Trust me.. Vader originally just had the suit to travel through space and it was never supposed to hold him back. Even after Lucas made up that he might need the suit to survive, he still doesn't intend that Vader has trouble moving around freely.
It is freaking obvious that when we were introduced to Vader and Obi Wan, that they were the last remaining war veterans who survived for good reasons and not luck as people might have suggested later on.
And the nonsense that Vader is still a pussy compared to himself as a padawan from ROTS even though he had some twenty years to finish training and perfect his dueling skills, and that Obi Wan became worse because he forgot his lightsaber skills after all those years are just plain stupid theories wich go against all original intentions of Star Wars.
i see anakin and vader as too seperate character figures, so the tragedy of anakin doesn't make me feel vader is a pussy in any way. He's still that menacing bastard in the black suit that he's always been....and up untill he finds luke, he's just "Evil".
you donīt have to be a mega supermann to be an excellent villiant. palpatine got most success through evil cunning rather than fighting.
Darth vader is still the ultimate "main man" for me, his background story fits the picture perfectly, a confused mislead powerhouse. Who lost everything and know where to go, until his son was getting zapped.
Yeah, and another thing proving teh suit doesn't hold him back is that Anakin could duel just fine (even better than when he had a real hand), so the mechanical arm in episode 2-3 obviously didn't hold him back, so i don't see why his other limbs would have either. So he obviously picked up a different style of dueling... GEEZ
Actually his mechanical limbs DID hold him back, as did his entire body.
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