No, Dante only outweighs Kratos' weaponry numerically. There are but two/three weapons Kratos has wielded that alone would stomp Dante. not to mention he has upwards of a dozen magic powers.
Ever character that ever did hold their own in a strength clash with Kratos canonically ended up losing still, even Zeus. Aside from it taking barely a second for Kratos to rip things like heads, limbs or wings apart, that's still ultimately a durability feat he hasn't shown to be up against. And even if Dante tries to go DT, it's not like he's the only one here with transformations. Kratos has about two himself, three if you count Pandora's Box, which on its own would stomp Dante. Even then, Dante's most powerful DT form is arguably non-canon iirc. And seriously, if he can crash through two stone roofs and second floor and get up unscathed, he can take
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He fell from space to earth (let also fell higher than Kratos when he was in Leviathan). I'm sure he can survive two stone roofs and second floor and get up.
Wasn't saying that the number is the reason. That he can use different varieties is hard to counter, also that he'll be using strong elemental attacks in unison with his attacks, which differs from Kratos' magic. Because of the way they are used, the Blades of Chaos/Athena wouldnt be that effective against Dantes speed and skills. They're just too wide. (If you get what I mean) Are the two/three the BoO, hammer and spear?
Most of his magic attacks don't seem too deadly, at least compared to what Dante has faced before.
But all those that did hold there own in strength against him were in majority, like him. As in they were similar to Kratos' build, fighting style etc. Like a wrestler against a wrestler. Its completely different when fighting someone who doesn't rely 90% on raw strength. (Like how we don't see Zeus doing Bruce Lee moves...... but id love to see that lol)
Your gonna have to fill me in on who/what he decapitated and such with his bare hands (sorry my knowledge on GoW isn't the best.)
What else besides Pandora's box? And the Box is made to 'give mortals the powers to rival Gods' or something like that, well Dante already has that kind of power. So besides the giantism, I don't see how threatening that really is. DT multiplies all of Dante's powers and skills, oh and when i mentioned DT i was only stating that if Kratos got a hold of him the shock wave of using it would be a way throw him off.
Sparda form from the end of DMC1. Majin from DMC2, this one is debatable only for DMC fans view of the game itself. Also count Dreadnought.
For Kratos' durability feat you stated, was that in response to my ''If Kratos get the chance to hold onto Dante, well the chances that he'll get punched or slashed being that close to him will increase.'' ? Again that would just be to push him back, but at least were on the subject. He does show good resistance to blunt based attacks like punches and falling like you said. Nero's Devil Bringer, a strong blunt attack in DMC4, one scene when he hit the ground three times (Not to break it, just cause he was upset) it broke it with high damage (real attack would of broke through the floor.) Anyway, with that he punched Dante 20 ish times in the face, threw him into a statue at a painful speed and speared his demonic powered sword into his chest. Dante took it out and was only a little winded (cause of his sword) So that's a powerful blunt, a weaker one and being impaled. One second later it was like it didn't touch him.
And speaking of impaled, Kratos can take the brunt of the blunt attacks, but not a bladed weapon. Like the two times he died.
Kratos falls through the stone like you mentioned < Dante in the Devil Bringer assault. Result; Both walk away unarmed.
Kratos impaled with head thick (measured from the cutscene) pillar = Dante impaled from eight demon spikes (DMC: Animation) Result; Kratos dies.
Kratos impailed by BoO/ Dante impaled on 7 occasions (2 from other demon/weak, 5 from highly concentrated demonic swords) Result; Kratos dies.
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Vergil jumped from that and effortlessly survived, so can Dante.
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Kratos, while not having as many weapons in his arsenal as dante, still has many different elements at his disposal also (wind, electricity, fire/blunt). Too wide, in my opinion, works better. If dante comes anwhere near kratos, he has his wide blades to swing which have a reach well over 25 feet, he has atlas' quake which surrounds him with molten rock, and cronos' rage which locks on to an enemy instantly if there in range, and im pretty sure dante is going to have a hard time dodging lightning.
We all know dante is much, much faster than kratos. This fight would easily be in his hands no doubt if kratos had not blocked lightning. Dante is faster in movement, but kratos has reflexes. Dante cannot move at 60k meters a second, so pretty much almost all of his attacks can be deflected right back at him, making it that much harder to counter attack. And about the "dt multiplies all of dantes powers" i would like to see proof of this, because iirc i dont remember it saying how much it specifically increased his abilities.
and if we are counting pandoras box then dante has absolutely zero chance.
Dante took a while to take that sword out of his chest, a lot longer than kratos would need to do damage. Now imagine someone much, MUCH stronger than nero punching him, then ripping off his head from his shoulders and smashing his head with his foot. Comparing kratos to nero is a joke.
If your talking in blunt force then kratos falling through stone pillar >>>> dante db assault.
Dante would not be able to stab kratos as he would simply deflect it, which pretty much leaves him with blunt weapons left which either kratos would deflect also or they would not do much damage to him at all. I played all the games to both of the series', and i can honestly say kratos takes this 6.5/10 w/o pandoras box or god form.
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@Sappho: Yamato devastates the mind, body, soul, and power, so this would surely **** up Kratos (and besides, this is his weakest form). Kratos isn't "much stronger" than Nero. Nero can pick up Berial with one hand; Kratos has to pull the Hydra head with both hands.
Firstly, Dante has also reacted to lighting, and he's faster than sound itself. He clearly didn't react to lighting. If you think Kratos can "react" to all of Dante's attacks, then you must be crazy. Dante asorbs all of Kratos energy with the RoyalGuard, and he kills him with his own energy. And him "deflecting" or whatever crap is a no-limit fallacy (in a way). And didn't Nero's DB destroy stone?
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Unless wind is a pressured vacuum like attack it shouldn't work. And Dante sat on Berial's tail (A creature made of hellfire) and only complains that his coat got charred. Wide, long range and mid-speed, also not that effective, I think close and very fast+strong attacks work best against Dante. With his speed agility and reflexes he'd be able to easily evade the attacks. And for the Chaos/Athena to work the 'blade' would have to make contact, if the chain does.... well I dont have to draw the picture there. ''We all know dante is much, much faster than kratos.'' Kratos will be the one having a hard time making contact.
Atlas quake say that it 'causes earthquakes.....attacks with debris' though I could be missing out. Hellfire =?= molten rock (cant alway tell with hellfire these days ¬¬) and he's face a creature made of molten rock/lava. Cronos' rage (points to iChaos post ^) Nevan was also a lightning user.
(I wouldn't say the whole ''This fight would easily be in his hands no doubt if kratos had not blocked lightning.'' 'cause if someone beats that argument your kinda letting them win.) Dante has great reflexes as well. DMC3 Vergil with what looked like zero effort blocked and caught Dante's bullets ((small (harder to see/react to) and 6-8 of them and faster then any man-made gun can shoot)) in mid-combat, so its easy to say DMC4 Dante with effort could evade and/or block Cronos' rage. (Points to iChaos post again ^) I didn't say specifically, but his speed, all attacks, regeneration all increases.
Wont be zero chance, if he needs to he could just use the Sparda DT.
Besides, Ares threw a 1ft diameter stone pillar at him and he dies. That pillar couldn't be moving anywhere near 60km/s, and it was right in front of Kratos so if he could he should of evaded that like he did the lightning. Judging by his face, it was like he didn't even realise it was there until it made contact with him.
A highly powered demonic sword, and it took him 2secs to take it out when the fight stopped. So Dante was in no rush. (Once again points to iChaos post about the Nero part.^) Correct Nero could probably punch through that stone pillar, at last through stone itself. Now that kind of punch x20 to the face, adding smashing him in to floor with one and throwing him into the statue would make that like 21 punches to the face. (Those two are like half hits) More damaging the falling through the stone pillars.
You forgot to write ''easily' picks up Berial' :3 A punch by Nero's DB >>> A punch from Kratos
How can Kratos deflect a sword to the body? Seeing as a certain blade was 'able to stab Kratos' without him deflecting it, im thinking Dante could. Meaning that he wont be just left with blunt weapons And even if he was he has three different guantlets added to Dante's fighting skills, summoning lighting and lightning bat familiars and hellice combind with very fast tripartite nunchaku with a range that could easily reach way past 20ft (hellice is like hellfire but...... ice) IMO the nunchaku can match BoChaos/Athena. Btw if you know what Yamato can do the you shouldn't of thought it can be deflected.
In a fight like this both of them WILL get hit a few times, Dante can regenerate like crazy and so far hasnt died. Kratos can't regenerate and still dies like a mortal, eg: being stabbed. Even if he didnt puncture anything vital it would impair his skills. And has died twice by things Dante would not die from. And his Royal Guard can take Kratos' attacks.
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The Alastor is a living Devil Arm, the Thunder Sword and "Spirit of Lightning"[1], appearing in Devil May Cry. It can only be wielded by the "chosen one" who can conquer it, but it is able to grant its wielder lightning speed and aerial capability.[2]
The legendary sword of the Dark Knight Sparda, containing the bulk of his devilish powers. It is the goal of Vergil and Arkham in Devil May Cry 3, is awakened by Dante in Devil May Cry, is seen with Sparda in a flashback in
The trademark broadsword belonging to Dante as an heirloom from his father. It is a key element in releasing Dante's devil half, though it must first taste his blood.
The gauntlet manifestation of Ifrit the Fire Devil. Dante finds it resting on an altar in the Colosseum. It is capable of attacking with infernal hellfire
A tripartite nunchaku originating from Cerberus the Ice Guardian. Dante obtains it after defeating Cerberus, the guardian of Temen-ni-gru's gate
A pair of living scimitars, wielded by demonic golems, better known as Agni & Rudra the Firestorm, the guardians of Temen-ni-gru's upper portion. They have rather accommodating personalities, and can be temporarily combined into a double-sided scimitar
A transforming guitar/scythe originating from Nevan the Lightning Witch. Dante obtains it after defeating Nevan. It is capable of summoning Nevan's bats to attack, and allows Dante to perform Air Raid.
A set of gauntlets and greaves originating from Beowulf the Lightbeast. Vergil obtains them after killing Beowulf, the guardian of a Neo Generator, and Dante finds them after Arkham activates the Temen-ni-gru and Vergil falls into an abyss.
The Gilgamesh is a set of gauntlets, greaves, and mask which appears in Devil May Cry 4, and is obtained from Echidna's Hell Gate, which it was used to power. It is made of a devilish metal which absorbs organic material and transforms it to steel[1], and its techniques can be empowered by engaging the thrusters on the gauntlets and greaves. It is wielded by Dante during the game.
Kratos has no durability feats against swords. Kratos has no speed feats either. Dante has kept up with a swordsman(Vergil) whose attacks can't be seen by the human eye. Dante is a bullet-timer. Kratos also has no feats to suggest that he could live through being shot in the head. Even if he did, Dante has infinite rounds and could spam his dodging ability. Kratos doesn't even stand a chance.
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