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We kill our enemies when we believe we are weak and defenseless so we panic and commit the wrong choice.


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You say all that and have Deadpool in your avatar? stick out tongue laughing

well actually now if you look ever some closely..i know ita small but if you focus, barely just barely it is The Human Torch


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well actually now if you look ever some closely..i know ita small but if you focus, barely just barely it is The Human Torch


No it isn't . If you read what I said...I know it's small but if you focus, just barely stick out tongue ...I said Avatar. Not Signature. wink

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mad oh yes , yes i see see, just barely though.

LOL no expression wink


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OK. So, who do we kill next?


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Well thay could always send them to that prison where Thanis went or just get Thor to put then ib abother dimension, calll on a cosmic like Sersi ir Silver surfer to change them into butterflys literally or send them to Doctor Strange.

Change them to butterflies and you might as well just kill them. That type of stuff just gets you into the morally ambiguous mindwiping stuff DC is dealing with.


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Yer that is what i was thinking aswell but if your gaan put them in prison or suspended animation what is the difference really and it is better then killing. To me if heroes began to kill they are no different to the villains they kill.


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Not all deserve to die. A man like Victor Fries doesn't. But, when you kill tons and tons of people, I think its safer to kill the villain than to let them kill more people, cause you know they will. Joker for instance. If Batman offed him, he would be doing Gotham one hell of a justice.

Carnage, yes. Firefly, no. Luthor, yes. Magneto, no.

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depens the reason if they want to kill


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Yer that is what i was thinking aswell but if your gaan put them in prison or suspended animation what is the difference really and it is better then killing. To me if heroes began to kill they are no different to the villains they kill.
Prisons and even suspended animation can be escaped. . . the latter needing outside help. . .


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Why do some think Magneto is a mass murderer up with Joker and Thanos? Is there some event I have forgotten?


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Magneto is a maniac all the same. I see no problem grouping him with Joker and the like no matter how he tries to disguise his schemes.


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Give Mags his own island and he settles down. He's really not aas bad as characters like the Joker.


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personally IM not with that "if you kill you are no better than they are" bullshit. what would you call a police officer who kills a wanted murderer in the process? you would say he's no better?. i say kill all of them, if not like somebdy says let the anti heroes do itbig grin


I would say yes, the police officer is no better. Is he going to prison as well? is the Police officer going to be accountable for his crimes? The Police officer has killed, just like the criminal. I see no difference between the two. The police officer made a decision to become what he sought to protect the world from. He is responsible for a persons death.


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You say all that and have Deadpool in your avatar? stick out tongue laughing


Just cos im a fan of a FICTIONAL character, doesn't mean I agree with his values in real life smile


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Once you start killing, you're not a hero.


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If Captain America kills Germans in the course of WW2, does that not make him the heroic icon he should be?


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The world isn't as black and white as we would like it to be.

True.
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We sometimes make things overcomplicated when we don't need to.

True.
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I think that if someone killed a killer, what have they become? A killer themselves.

That's only a matter of definition.
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There is no difference between them and the person they killed.

Yes there is. A big difference actually.
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They have degraded themselves to the level of a killer.

It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.
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Killing doesn't even solve the problem.

It solves potential future problems.
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People may argue that not killing the villain might mean the villain will kill others and that the death of the others will be on your head. I disagree, for saving the villains life, the hero should take comfort in the fact that the villain owes them their life.

The villain doesn't care, as soon as he can, he'll murder again.
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In conclusion, I can only say that I believe that killing of any sort results in the degrading of oneself and the creation of a killer in themselves.

Those are words. Nothing more. I respect your opinion but it's not as simple as you think.


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Yes there is. A big difference actually.


please explain the difference to me as I would like to know. the only possible difference I see is their original intentions, but both parties ended up killing in the end.

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It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it.


says who? you?

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It solves potential future problems.


So the end justifys the means does it? What about long term ramifications? Its a way of introducing society to the wonderful world of degrading moral values and increasing violence, by introducing new killers, sugar coated as heroes.

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The villain doesn't care, as soon as he can, he'll murder again.


so there is the line. Do we rise above his twisted, depraved emotions and imprison him, or do we cross the line and become just like him, a killer?

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Those are words. Nothing more. I respect your opinion but it's not as simple as you think.


Its only as simple as you say so. We as humans have the amazing ability to shift the blame, work or anything hard onto another person. We can do it by over complicating things. We get good at it. Its not a good thing.


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Wolverine kills, spidey has killed so have a number of heros. No matter what a hero is bound to kill someone.


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Killing isn't the best choice in the world, but at some point, there are a small ammount of choices. Maybe Wonder Woman shouldn't have killed Max Lord, maybe so, that's up to opinion. I, personally, think she was right to do so at the time. At that point, he had full control over the most powerful being on the planet, and always would as long as he was alive. Now, I don't know about you, but for some to have power over a living weapon of mass destruction is an extremely frightening thought. At that point, WW made a judgement call. She could've allowed him to live, inprision him, incapacitate him, etc., but that would still leave the very high chance of him escaping and threatening every life in the world with Superman once again. Was what she did right? Can't say, everyone will see their own side of it. But, you can't deny the fact that she may have saved millions with that one act, whether it was right or wrong.


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