We'd also be comparing and contrasting with a younger Anakin Skywalker who destroyed Asajj twice and has improved since then. And I'd put the Dark Woman on a tier a bit above Asajj
Vader has all of Anakin's knowledge though. He has fought he mutiple times before and understands how she fights, but she has almost no idea of how he fights because it was said that Vader had to change his style to let him make the best use of his suit. Vader has another 20 years of training and although his armor hurts him a lot, it also helps him. It gives him extreme strength, keeps him from tiring as fast during combat, and protects him from a lightsaber wound that took down Obi-wan in AOTC.
Vader has had another 20 years to pratice these new saber skills and has faced Luke, who is quite powerful. Luke was doing many of the same things that Anakin did between AOTC and ROTS, but no one thinks Anakin in ROTS is just a little more powerful then his Rots version.
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Can we stop passing off points as 'Ot/movie' bias?
How about everytime someone mentions ANYTHING good about anyone in the EU, we instantly call it 'EU/Bias, Starwars defliers, KJA fanboys' among other things.
Vader killed the Dark Woman shortly before ANH...like I said, I have the feeling she was waaay above Asajj
It's true, though. Vader really does have another 20 years and has faced Ventress many times, yet she hasn't faced OT Vader, who fights very differently from the one Asajj fought.
Why shouldn't Luke be powerful? No one can deny that he has things like the Kaiburr crystal. Look at how much power Anakin gained in the three years of the Clone Wars. Now, compare that to Luke's 4 in the Galatic Civil War. What makes them so different.
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It's true, though. Vader really does have another 20 years and has faced Ventress many times, yet she hasn't faced OT Vader, who fights very differently from the one Asajj fought.
1- Where does it show Vader perfecting his saber skills for 20 years? Against who?
2- Since when is knowing OT Vader's style important? ESB Luke could contend with him, and Asajj would MURDER him.
3- How can Vader account for her blinding speed and twin blades?
Why shouldn't Luke be powerful? No one can deny that he has things like the Kaiburr crystal. Look at how much power Anakin gained in the three years of the Clone Wars. Now, compare that to Luke's 4 in the Galatic Civil War. What makes them so different.
Luke is WEAK in the OT. He isn't refined, he isn't experienced, and he isn't a threat to Vader, considering that Luke has no discipline or real power. I really don't see how you can consider Luke the equivalent of a jedi knight when he doesn't have a fraction of the experience, control, and whatnot of even an average jedi.
Kam, Jerec, ect. There were plenty of other Dark Jedi for him to fight. He also fought the Royal Guards(to show them they weren't as strong as the dark side).
How are you going to prove that Vader just sat on his butt for 20 years? That's completely out of character as in that new Luceno book, we learn this, "Vader stood ground: I do not fear death, my Master.
Palpatine: Then why go on living, my young apprentice?
Vader: To learn to become more powerful."
Yeah, he definatly just sat back and drank Starbucks while eatching ESPN all day.
Vader was playing with Luke. Vader pwned Luke in like 20 seconds after he got mad. Luke could content with him? Sounds like anti-movie bias to me.
He can overpower her with ease. Vader has far more experince and knowledge of her form. Believe it or not, knowing how someone fights means a ton in a fight, believe me, I do it for a sport.
Vader probably has better force powers as knows everything Anakin did and has been learning from Sidious for as long as he had been alive by ROTS.
Luke has fought more then plenty of people. He took on Black Sun, Jabba's Sail Barge guys, ect. Luke also has demonstrated abilites like force choke and was able to use the force to increase his physical strength to the level necessary to defeat Guri, who was a powerful human replica droid. He won that fight unarmed, but he should have been pwned seeing as she was described as having superhuman strength.
And lets look at people like Nomi, who, with equal amounts of time became very powerful.
Wait, if he isn't a threat to Vader?!?!... You just said that ESB Luke could contend with him.
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Assaj could have been training, and visiting Korriban; we just don't know. In ANH Vader is extremely slow, while in "The Clone Wars" show Assaj is easily quite more agile than ROTS Anakin. Speed is a higher advantage than power/strength/knowledge in this case; it's just like David and Goliath.
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Yeah, in the Clone Wars cartoon she moved that fast, but then again, GG moved faster then Yoda in those.
ANH Vader means nothing as he fought so much better in ESB and ROTJ.
It doesn't matter what Asajj did after the Clone Wars, unless it was killing some frozen Ancient Sith Lord or something, because we have no indication of her power after that point and can't debate it. Using that logic I could argue that someone like Ben Skywalker, an 8 year old kid with almost no knowledge of the force, could pwn Exar, because of things he did later on. It doesn't work.
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Vader's speed in comparison to Asajj's is equal to Mace's speed in to comparison with Sidious's speed in the duel between him and Yoda. And who won between Yoda and Mace?
Okay, I never knew he was told that. But surely someone knows she's alive.
Who's power is 80% of the Emperor's. I doubt Asajj's is. I'll leave Faunus to tell you about the Jedi Vader kills in DL.
The Dark Woman lost to Aurra Sing, so no.
Gotta love the Asajj fanboyism.
Okay, we never even see Vader fight his best. As for ESB Luke contending with him... well, near the end he didn't do to shabby but notice at the beginning that Vader knocked him down right away and could have killed him then. After Luke cut Vader's arm Vader stopped the duel right then. He was in complete control the whole time.
calvin44, speed doesn't mean everything. See my example of Mace on page 1.
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