1. You once again think that Blitzkrieg's winds are like winds made by Storm or some other weather controller. They aren't. They are much more specifically controlled. He can have a wind on the ground simultaneysly while he is flying, because all he has to do is to control the charged particles. Not call winds like normal weather controllers do.
And for the dirt and leaves, they didn't seem to bother him much on that picture. And isn't smoke just another form of air particle? What stops him from charging the smoke itself and driving it away?
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<<All he has to do is make a wind to clear the flames (can do it pretty much instantly). Then he has to shoot Vertigo down. Which he can do without even getting to flight (read my above post).>>
you say he can specifically adjust the level of wind and specifically place it. it would have to be a very wide burst to remove the smoke. then there is the debris that while not affecting him (he's behind it, generating the wind so everything is blowing AWAY from him) his team would have a hard time getting around it. there's also the fact that ADDING oxygen (ie wind) would actually INCREASE the damage /smoke the flames would be doing. he cannot just 'blow out' a fire of this size, you'd be scattering burning material all over the place. i really don't see how blitzkrieg can deal with the smoke over such a large area while not severely hampering his own team or actually doing more harm than good.
though i'm not convinced vertigo can be as effective as ill claims, i guess i'd have to give a very slight edge to ill's team. gamora is the difference maker i think, and has been underused in this fight. she alone has taken down some VERY heavy hitters and even stood alone against the avengers for a prolonged period. karnak is good. gamora is better imo. as is kk.
Sorry, I misput my words. He is supposed to clear out smoke. Not flames. He could create a concetrated wind that doesn't affect his teammmates, like shown into this picture. http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1707/blitz58tt.gif
He isn't also going blow away ALL smoke from the forest. Just the part that is around him. Then he can shoot down KK and Vertigo so the air is safe to him again...
Also, Karate Kid and Vertigo have immediatly get in the air when Monolith begans so they won't be cooked alive, and Gamora has to leave too so she won't die too (Unless she is heatproof). It is going to take some time for the smoke to get my team, since they are nearly a mile away. Blitzkrieg can also take up in the air immediatly. But where as Vertigo and KK have no defense against Blitzkrieg, (and from nearly a mile away, Vertigo's attacks would be useless, the distance would make the attack weaken, and Blitzkriegs winds would lessen it even more) Blitzkrieg is effective from up to two miles away. Even if they fire their attacks at the same time, guess which travels faster - sound or lightning? Blitzkrieg will also be the first one in air, since Karate Kid has to take Vertigo with him. And as soon as he spots the two...ZAP.
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hehe. no problem. things is, if he's not clearing the flames, how is he clearing the smoke? the flames will simply make more smoke. his vortex would pull more and more smoke towards him without really clearing it away. given time, he might be able to snuff some of the flames with the vortex, but it would be very difficult for him considering the wide area of the flames . . .
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this is one of the problems i had with ill's attack. it WOULD hinder his guys as well. while gamora is not totally heat resistant she is extremely durable and would likely be able to handle the heatt. it is very close dc, the whole setting makes it hard to gauge a winner. just based on what i know of each character, ill seems to have an advantage. i'm not so convinced that i can't have my mind changed, though, so i leave it to you to convince me.
[I've got a little time before I have to finish packing for my trip. These will more than likely be my last arguments.]
To be honest, all that scan showed me is how much old comics go against conventional logic.
It also puts a big hole in part of your argument.
You said Blitzkrieg could dampen soundwaves with his winds, but in that scan you provided, it plainly shows Blitzkrieg talking to Captain America and explaining what he's doing, in full, in the middle of a vortex he's created. Not only that, but then that jabroni Shamrock also talks to Cap before snatching the "prize".
That's old school comic physics for you.
Your not going to be dampening any sound waves. Your own scan has just shown that.
[This will more than likely be my closing argument. I have to catch a flight in 7 hours and I need some sleep.]
As I stated in my first post, Monolith sets the forest on fire to cover our flank (behind and to our rear left/right).
This action does the following:
1) Limits the amount of directions my opponent can attack from
2) Provides a smoke screen on top of the cover of the forest we are already in (which Dizzle already stated hinders ranged vision).
3) Provide an obvious distraction (as you've diverted assets to controlling the smoke screen rather than making your position more tactically sound).
Now:
We are 3000 feet apart.
That's not a long distance, it's not even a mile.
An Olympic class athlete can cover a mile on foot in 3:43. Gamora can easily cover that in less than half the time.
I can have Vertigo and Karate Kid fly out to the right of the battlefield and come around behind your position in less than 60 seconds, while admittedly you're wasting time and Blitzkrieg's abilities to clear a smoke screen that will continue to permeate the forest unless you put out the flames completely. KK doesn't have to go above the trees while in flight. We're in a redwood forest. The canopy is at least 100 feet in the air. The visible lighting is limited due to the shade of the trees. I've got plenty of cover (and speed).
So what do we have:
We have Living Monolith and a wall of fire and smoke moving in on your position from your front, Gamora advancing under cover of the forest and smoke from your 9, and Karate Kid and Vertigo flanking you and coming up on your 6.
All this while you've admittedly wasted time generating a wind gust to clear a smoke screen for a small vantage point in a big forest.
Clearly, you can't see the forest for the trees.
I have you out-maneuvered, out-classed, out-gunned, and out-skilled.
[And I wish I had more time. I'll see if I can get a laptop in Dallas] .
The winds shown there weren't at full power, not near what a full tornado can do...all it could do is to send few leaves flying around. You know when it is big wind and people have to shout to make it hear? But on a wind like that they can still hear eachother...now try to make your voice hear on tornado. The sound would be weakened on the winds.
Like I have stated continous times, it takes time for the smoke reach my team. At least five minutes. A lot can happen in five minutes.
Bitlzkrieg doesn't have to worry about the smoke for minutes. While he can track the electrical impulses the bodies of Vertigo and Karate Kid send, and shoot them down.
The situation is like this, actually:
A) Your team doesn't know where my team is, therefore making Vertigos power useless.
B) Blitzkrieg knows the location of your team.
C) Blitzkrieg can effortlessly shoot Karate Kid and Vertigo down. Because they are like seeker missiles, only that they are lightning bolts.
D) After KK and Vertigo are down, Blitzkrieg can fly above the trees (and take his teammates with him) and take out Gamora from above by tracking her, unless she doesn't have nerve impulses, which I doubt. Gamora has no means of avoiding his lightning.
E) After Gamora is down, Blitzkrieg will find Monolith. He will drop Agent Zero and Thing down to the forest, and as Thing will keep Monolith busy, Blitzkrieg clears the path for Zero, who kills the Monolith with adamantium bullets.
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Your team doesn't know where my team members are.
Blitzkrieg can track every member of your team down.
Your team has no way of avoiding Blitzkrieg's attacks.
Vertigo's attacks only work from reasonably close range, and to get close, she needs to know where my team is. And she will be taken down far before she can do anything.
Monolith has no defense against adamantium bullets, nor is he able to dodge them while Thing is pounding on him.
Agent Zero has lots and lots of adamantium bullets.
[Thank God for G3 Powerbooks and WiFi at the airport (and rain delays)]
This is hollow conjecture, again, on your part.
The scan you provided showed Blitzkrieg, with a device in his hand, saying his sensitivity to electrical impules let him know that transmissions were being sent from the ship he was on.
In another scan (your "hurricane force winds" scan [as the caption says, though the winds only de-leaf a tree and don't even sweep Captain America off his feet]), Shamrock is in a very close proximity to Blitzkrieg and Cap and catches them both by surprise.
If Blitzkrieg could sense people's positions by their bio-electric fields, Shamrock would have been zapped from the onset, and would not have gotten the drop on him and Cap.
You're immensely underestimating Monlolith. He's invulnerable to most forms of conventional attack (including firearms and energy blasts), he can erect fields of concussive force to deflect projectiles, he can emit concussive force blast, sonic waves, heat blasts and heat waves, and he's organic granite. I'm not using Abdel in his Living Pharoah form, I'm using his Living Monolith form. He's like a giant version of the Thing with energy blasts. He's taken on the entire Avenger's roster single handedly. Adamantium bullets won't incapacitate him in one shot, and on top of that, he can erect shields. He's taken far worse. I don't have any scans available to me here in the airport, but if I get a chance when I'm in Dallas, I will provide them.
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