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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Yes, But what does that have anything to do with what were talking about.

You say I have givin no proof. Then you dont understand what I'm talking about. Its all in my previous posts.

Goku's Powerlevel as a Super Saiyan = 15,000,000

The power needed to destroy a planet = 18,000

15,000,000 divided by 18,000 = 833

Basic math man.

And again, that's not proving that ssj3 Goku is stronger, faster, more durable, or have the stamina to fight with Superman. Show me some feats? smile

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............I now dub you a Superman Fanboy, in the ranks of Fist of the North. Congrats man. You are hilarious.

How can I argue with you if you completely disregard everything I'm saying?

Thats not how argumentation works. lol

I already answered that question. I'm not going to keep re-answering things for you.

YOU however have not answered my question. I'm still waiting.

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............I now dub you a Superman Fanboy, in the ranks of Fist of the North. Congrats man. You are hilarious.

How can I argue with you if you completely disregard everything I'm saying?

Thats not how argumentation works. lol

I already answered that question. I'm not going to keep answering things for you.

YOU however have not answered my question. I'm still waiting.

So I'm a Superman fanboy because I think he could win?

You havn't brung any good arguement, when I ask you to prove that Goku is faster, stronger, more durable, and has the stamina to fight with Superman, you avoid the question by throwing useless numbers around.

If ssj3 Goku isn't punching stars and planets with his punches than he's not going to be putting Supes down (or even fase) at all. One punch from Supes will put ssj3 Goku in real pain that he won't be able to continue fighting. And he loses energy way too fast to even put up a decent match for Supes.

Strength:

ssj3 Goku- ssj2 at max struggled to push a moutain apart during his fight with Kid Buu, who was also beating ssj3 Goku (which means that ssj3 Goku isn't that far in power from ssj2).

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dr...DBZ-Video08.mov

Superman- Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Superman threw a space station the size of a small moon, Superman moved a planet with light speed force coming against him, Superman was strong enough to contain a blackhole in the palm of his hands for a long period of time, and can punch small moons with no problem.

Durability:

ssj3 Goku- not strong enough to take blows from beings that are less powerful than Supes.

Superman- Superman survived the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero, Survived the destruction of the moon, survived the destruction force of a nova, survived a Mageddon Warhead capable at the minimum vaporizing half a galaxy, survived passage through a cosmic wormhole, survived passage through a blackhole, took blows from a guy that destroy stars with one punch, survived being punched through the Earth, and punched from earths surface to the moon.

Speed:

ssj3 Goku- He's fast, but not fast enough to beat a energy blast.

Superman- beat a photon blast, flew from earth to the sun in just a few seconds, flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, and Superman made a trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes.

Stamina:

ssj3 Goku- tires in just a few minutes.

Superman- Can fight for weeks.

Superman wins pretty easily. smile

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Good Good.

But you still have not answered my question.

Can Superman Survive a blast that could destroy the Earth 833 times?

Everything else is irrelevant.

Goku doesn't need to have a fist fight with Superman. If he could just shoot an energy blast at him and kill him then why would he?

There was no proof in that whole post that says he can survive an attack of that magnitude. Those numbers arnt "useless numbers" they prove that Goku is capable of creating an energy attack (as a SUPER SAIYAN 1) of that magnitude. Supes cannot do anything close to this.

Even if hes Faster (in terms of physical speed) Goku Still has Instant Transmission. Supes cannot teleport.

All Goku needs to win this fight is ITM and a full power Kamehameha wave using roughly 1/3 of his full power to kill Superman.

Unless you can prove that Superman is capable of surviving a blast that powerful. Which you have not thus far.

All other points are not relevant in any way.

The fight would go like this.

Supes: "I'm going to kill you Goku"

Goku: "Oh, this should be interesting"

*Goku ITMs somewhere. Tunes Super Saiyan, Charges up a blast that could destroy the Earth 800 times. ITMs back in front of Superman. And kills him*

End fight.

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Jan 23rd, 2006 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by dvampire
So I'm a Superman fanboy because I think he could win?

You havn't brung any good arguement, when I ask you to prove that Goku is faster, stronger, more durable, and has the stamina to fight with Superman, you avoid the question by throwing useless numbers around.

If ssj3 Goku isn't punching stars and planets with his punches than he's not going to be putting Supes down (or even fase) at all. One punch from Supes will put ssj3 Goku in real pain that he won't be able to continue fighting. And he loses energy way too fast to even put up a decent match for Supes.

Strength:

ssj3 Goku- ssj2 at max struggled to push a moutain apart during his fight with Kid Buu, who was also beating ssj3 Goku (which means that ssj3 Goku isn't that far in power from ssj2).

http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/dr...DBZ-Video08.mov

Superman- Superman was chained to the endless millwheels of the Mageddon machinery. His strength was used to move the gears of a weapon whose size dwarfed the entire Earth/Moon system. Superman threw a space station the size of a small moon, Superman moved a planet with light speed force coming against him, Superman was strong enough to contain a blackhole in the palm of his hands for a long period of time, and can punch small moons with no problem.

Durability:

ssj3 Goku- not strong enough to take blows from beings that are less powerful than Supes.

Superman- Superman survived the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero, Survived the destruction of the moon, survived the destruction force of a nova, survived a Mageddon Warhead capable at the minimum vaporizing half a galaxy, survived passage through a cosmic wormhole, survived passage through a blackhole, took blows from a guy that destroy stars with one punch, survived being punched through the Earth, and punched from earths surface to the moon.

Speed:

ssj3 Goku- He's fast, but not fast enough to beat a energy blast.

Superman- beat a photon blast, flew from earth to the sun in just a few seconds, flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, and Superman made a trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes.

Stamina:

ssj3 Goku- tires in just a few minutes.

Superman- Can fight for weeks.

Superman wins pretty easily.

There's plenty of feats here that puts any DBZ character feats to shame. Please look at the thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t371890.html

And again, Goku doesn't have the power to destroy planet 833 times, bring some real evidnce. smile

Superman have energy blasts and fist that could kill ssj3 Goku in a sec.

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"And again, Goku doesn't have the power to destroy planet 833 times, bring some real evidnce."

I did, Its as real as any of your evidence.

I'm still waiting btw

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Originally posted by dvampire
There's plenty of feats here that puts any DBZ character feats to shame. Please look at the thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t371890.html

And again, Goku doesn't have the power to destroy planet 833 times, bring some real evidnce.

Superman have energy blasts and fist that could kill ssj3 Goku in a sec.

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Originally posted by dvampire
There's plenty of feats here that puts any DBZ character feats to shame. Please look at the thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t371890.html

And again, Goku doesn't have the power to destroy planet 833 times, bring some real evidnce.

Superman have energy blasts and fist that could kill ssj3 Goku in a sec.

You mean the evidence that's right in front of your screen. confused

Where was it stated in the show or manga, that anybody in DBZ could destroy the planet 833 times? laughing

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Well, I'm going to wait until you can answer my question. Since you seem not to be able to. This argument is over, unfortunately.

As it stands all you gave me is neat little snippets of cool things Superman has done. Wow? huh

I've given you undeniable fact that Goku has the power to do what I'm saying he can do.

The numbers were given by the creator of DBZ, so they stand as much as "fact" as anything that Goku "does" or has "done" in the manga or the TV series.

Thats what Goku can do. Can Superman Survive it?

Thats up to you to answer.

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There's plenty of feats here that puts any DBZ character feats to shame. Please look at the thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t371890.html

And again, Goku doesn't have the power to destroy planet 833 times, bring some real evidnce.

Superman have energy blasts and fist that could kill ssj3 Goku in a sec.

You havn't proven anything yet, I have, and the proof is in Superman's respect thread. smile

Still waiting for proof that ssj3 Goku is faster, stronger, more durable, and has stamina to fight with Superman, numbers are useless, since they aren't telling me any of those. Superman can survive any of the DBZ characters attacks, but they can't survive any of his.

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Jan 23rd, 2006 10:55 AM

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Wow....lol

Ok then. Your not even paying attention to what I'm saying. Pretending your not hearing things doesn't make them go away. Sorry bud.

Goku doesn't have to be faster, stronger, or more durable.

That IS the basis of what I've been saying for the past half hour. Or were You not even paying attention?

If your not going to give me the time of day and just keep sidestepping my question then so be it. I don't care. I think its rather amusing.

I'll say this, You wouldn't fare too well on a debate team. But perhaps you should consider being a politician.

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Wow....lol

Ok then. Your not even paying attention to what I'm saying. Pretending your not hearing things doesn't make them go away. Sorry bud.

Goku doesn't have to be faster, stronger, or more durable.

That IS the basis of what I've been saying for the past half hour. Or were You not even paying attention?

If your not going to give me the time of day and just keep sidestepping my question then so be it. I don't care. I think its rather amusing.

I'll say this, You wouldn't fare too well on a debate team. But perhaps you should consider being a politician.

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Originally posted by dvampire
How is Goku going to hurt Superman when he could barly push a moutain apart inssj2 or ssj4 when he struggled with pushing a building in place and having trouble lifting people on a small rock? Superman whould destroy Goku in a sec.

Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonba.../VideoClips.htm

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...eatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...gbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...erman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...ndmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...rmanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...visible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...upespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...ssagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...edbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...dbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...an13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...an13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...upeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...khole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led166ov4wo.jpg

Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I saw someone mention Supes can't survive a nuke?

Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...d/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1.../supesnuke2.jpg[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes catching a moon sized ship in travel and tossing it casually...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...d/moonmover.jpg [/QUOTE]

Share your Super feats of Superman. [/QUOTE]

Still waiting for that proof. wink

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HAHAHA, your making a fool of yourself man. Seriously

It be best for you to stop and let a one of the big wigs come in and take your place tomorrow. Your not helping the Superman cause. Your making a mockery of it.

I have nothing further to say. My point is valid and made. And you refuse to try to refute it.

Best let someone who at least understands the basics of argument take your place.

But you were doing well for a bit a while ago. I'll give you that.

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Anyways. I'm going to bed.

I'll be back tomorrow to see if someone has answered my question.

Laters all. smile

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HAHAHA, your making a fool of yourself man. Seriously

It be best for you to stop and let a one of the big wigs come in and take your place tomorrow. Your not helping the Superman cause. Your making a mockery of it.

I have nothing further to say. My point is valid and made. And you refuse to try to refute it.

Best let someone who at least understands the basics of argument take your place.

But you were doing well for a bit a while ago. I'll give you that.

This fool just brung evidence, the person who said Goku could blow up a planet 833 times and have no evidence is the fool. wink

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Anyways. I'm going to bed.

I'll be back tomorrow to see if someone has answered my question.

Laters all.

While you at it, please bring a good arguement next time? smile

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Sigh...

It's simple folks, Post-Crisis, Pre-Crisis, 1 Million, maybe even Animated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku.

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Goku doesn't have to be faster, stronger, or more durable.

And you had the nerve to call someone else a fanboy?

"Goku doesn't have the abilities required to even hurt Superman."

"Goku Doesn't NEED the abilities to even hurt superman, he still wins!"

How many times could a black hole destroy the Earth?

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Anyways. I'm going to bed.

I'll be back tomorrow to see if someone has answered my question.

Laters all.

How many times can a black hole destroy the Earth?

Obviously not 833 times in your mind.

But hey how about you actually try to prove your inductive reasoning. Because I'm sorry simple inductive reasoning, educated guessing, is insufficient to prove your case.

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