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The List goes TOAA HOTU LT PF GF etc etc


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that the one above all allows the Phoenix force to do it.


Exactly. It could be that its working on behalf of the supreme being. However that is something thats suggested so its not canon. But either way Phoenix gives you powerenough to humble LT as stated on panel so that part isnt debatable.


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The List goes TOAA HOTU LT PF GF etc etc


TOAA is just the name for LTs boss its never been stated anywhere that its the supreme being. Only that power wise its beyond the IG and Eternity. As for LT being beyond Phoenix you have a canon comic telling you that the power can make a person supreme in reality and Eternity confirms this so why are you debating?


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Because Eternity has been wrong before LT has pointed that out before


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Was TOAA a celestial?The One Above All is of unknown origin (You can make up whatever you like. I'd guess he could be a Celestial, who got tired of all the judging, etc. and decided to settle down). It dwelled on Templeworld, and it was immensely powerful, and provided lifegiving energies to several planets for an unknown length of time. It eventually sacrificed its life to provide for long term defenses for Templeworld. While the One Above All gave his power willingly, all other "gods" of the Soul Survivors were captured and used against their wills.

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Because Eternity has been wrong before LT has pointed that out before


Thats not a good enough reason to dismiss an on panel depiction stating the debated point. LT has been wrong before. Does that mean i can dismiss any on panel point he makes which doesnt suit my tastes?


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Was TOAA a celestial?The One Above All is of unknown origin (You can make up whatever you like. I'd guess he could be a Celestial, who got tired of all the judging, etc. and decided to settle down). It dwelled on Templeworld, and it was immensely powerful, and provided lifegiving energies to several planets for an unknown length of time. It eventually sacrificed its life to provide for long term defenses for Templeworld. While the One Above All gave his power willingly, all other "gods" of the Soul Survivors were captured and used against their wills.


i believe that was a different TOAA. a celestial wouldn't be able to order around the LT.


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One question where the hell of Phoenix Force during the Gauntlet & HOTU I seen LT stop the IG with his masters powers not until the Master is shown to be PF then he is in charge of Marvel Reality. He make the decisions He Judge Jury and Executioner appointed by his Master


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But there is two One Above Alls that one and this one

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LT attacking Korvac with his "ultimate punishment" and then fleeing the universe and sealing it off after it flopped:

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Korvac had the assembled power of 6 cosmics.

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LT attacking Korvac with his "ultimate punishment" and then fleeing the universe and sealing it off after it flopped:

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Maybe the One above all ordered him to lose? wink laughing


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What does that prove did LT stop him or not?


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One question where the hell of Phoenix Force during the Gauntlet & HOTU I seen LT stop the IG with his masters powers not until the Master is shown to be PF then he is in charge of Marvel Reality. He make the decisions He Judge Jury and Executioner appointed by his Master


Have you thought that maybe those events werent in her jurisdiction. Phoenix as stated on panel works to maintain the creation cycle. Thats its role. In the IG saga Thanos only sought to replace Eternitys importance with his own which is part of the natural order. Survival of the fittest. Thats why even LT said he wouldnt get involved with that.

As for HOTU i can only assume it wasnt her jurisdiction or the writer just never thought to use her. But then you can turn it around and say where was LT during the M'kraan crystal incident? That threatened to blink out the multiverse which would effectively have left him unemployed. But noone seems to remember that. The fact of the matter is that it wasnt his jurisdiction because as stated only Phoenix can work the crystal, hence why she was there for a threat debatably greater than the others you've mentioned.

Both of them werent there to stop Wanda during House of M. Does that detract from their roles in Marvel? No. We really have no answer as to why that was the case. It works both ways.


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The Spectre that first came to be in the Comic book is he as powerful back then as He is to day?


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What does that prove did LT stop him or not?


Nope. Lt as he states there had nothing left in his arsenal to stop Korvac so he fled leaving that universe to its fate. He abandoned those in his care writing off that universe as a lost cause. Korvac went on to succeed in his aim of achieving absolute order in that universe. So no LT didnt stop him. He couldnt so he sealed off that universe ensuring he wouldnt have to deal with him again.

He did the same thing when he couldnt handle the StarBrand.


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But presently LT is still greater than PF...until the end of the cycle. That's what I understood from the scans.

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But presently LT is still greater than PF...until the end of the cycle. That's what I understood from the scans.


How did you interpret that? At any time someone could wield the power to make themselves the supreme being that was the Strangers plans so your observation doesnt make sense.

Eternity was saying that the force brings about the process naturally at the end of each cycle but the fact that someone can wield the power to bring about the end at any time shows you your observation is not the case. Thats why Eternity intervened and asked Jean not to allow Stranger to gain access to the Phoenix.


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TOAA is just the name for LTs boss its never been stated anywhere that its the supreme being. Only that power wise its beyond the IG and Eternity. As for LT being beyond Phoenix you have a canon comic telling you that the power can make a person supreme in reality and Eternity confirms this so why are you debating?


If TOAA is boss of LT, it's also boss of Phoenix Force. If someone created Phoenix Force, which it was, it was created by TOAA. He is not called THE ONE ABOVE ALL for nothing cause he is ABOVE ALL, competley ABOVE EVERYTHING.
Seeing what Eternity has been talking about, Eternity thinks actully that Phoenix is beyond any abstracts, including LT.


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