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Silverspider/Dizzle's Team Tournament: Round 1, Fight 6- ScarletSpider vs. stormfront
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Originally posted by stormfront13
http://www.geocities.com/phantaziahome/Hardee005.jpg

here's a pic of just how powerful her bio-blast is.



you know.... when you post a pic.... then describe what's happening in it completely wrongly.... people can tell!

yes

"just how powerful her bio-blast is."

it hits storm and doesn't kill her.... that is not a powerful blast...... and the fact that you're only posting single images rather than the whole page means that we can't even see if it knocks her out = does NOT show her blast to be powerful

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http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d...nfare_28_28.jpg

^^here aurora is frying someones optic nerves with her blinding light.


"here aurora is frying someones optic nerves with her blinding light."

that either shows you don't pay attention when reading or that you're just lying.... the only thing she damaged was the suits "optic lenses" .... nowhere in your pic does it show damage to the eyes themselves

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http://www.geocities.com/phantaziahome/xfactor82_1.jpg

^^tagging quicksilver


this one is dodgy for a different reason.... without the rest of the page how are we supposed to know if Quicksilver was even moving when she attacked him? for all we can tell, they snuck up on him when he was standing completely still


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I vote for SS , basicly because stormfront ether can't make up his mind on what the hell his characters powers and strategy is (every post he makes he changes it !) .

Not only that but most of Stormfronts scan's are ether wrong or inconclusive...


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WAY to early to vote, SS hasn't even made one battle plan. Just wait.

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"here aurora is frying someones optic nerves with her blinding light."

that either shows you don't pay attention when reading or that you're just lying.... the only thing she damaged was the suits "optic lenses" .... nowhere in your pic does it show damage to the eyes themselves


Actually if she did a close range light blast to a normal human it probally would actually blind them. That's light equililent to half a million candles [light measurement]


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storm's character's do seem to have the edge even if his plan isn't very . . . coherent. spider gave up booster far too early in the fight and hasn't yet responded in anyway that would lead anyone to think his team COULD win.

not a pretty fight, but it would be nice if y'all left the debating -- or lack their of -- to the competitors. wink

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Okay...

Stormfront's plan isn't best I've seen. However, he has been doing most of the debating here (25 posts compared to ScarletSpider's 6). I kinda like ScarletSpider's plan more (good spelling helps a lot) but stormfront has put more into this. I doubt that ScarletSpider really gave up, but if he did, stormfront gets my vote. (That's not final vote, of course. Just something that will be done unless SS makes more debating).

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Originally posted by ScarletSpider
Fine. You can just win. For trying to stay within the limits set for the characters, I can't really compete with Phantazia who seems to be an untouchable jack of all trades. Good luck to you in the proceeding rounds, stormfront13, if tactics don't work, neglecting cogency always seems to do the job for you.


she's not untouchable, you just need to catch her off guard. she was knocked out by a rock to the temple because she wasn't prepared or ready. but considering she can go into this with a force-field up and ready then something like that wouldn't happen. phantazia is completley within all the limits, and was okayed. don'tquit because i have a good character. i've used tactics, your the one whl isn't posting any battle strageties. i am simply waiting for you, getting bored, then posting another stragety. please don't quit.

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He's pointing out a statement that stormfront is bullshitting


not bullshiting. as far as my knowlege goes, everything i said has happened within the comics.

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maybe you should show it then because i've read the entire run of Exiles and i don't remember it happening.... and the fact that you're sticking to that claim throws every other argument of yours into doubt..... until you can prove it that is


i don't have the scan, but it happened. and it was just another stragety that i considered using. my main stragety still stands which was found on page 1. I can't prove it, so you can disregard it.

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it hits storm and doesn't kill her.... that is not a powerful blast...... and the fact that you're only posting single images rather than the whole page means that we can't even see if it knocks her out = does NOT show her blast to be powerful


well it hit her, knocked her out, and she fell in the ocean. i can only post single pics because that is all that was shown when i saved them in my file.

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that either shows you don't pay attention when reading or that you're just lying.... the only thing she damaged was the suits "optic lenses" .... nowhere in your pic does it show damage to the eyes themselves


well then i was misinformed(c'mon mungi)

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this one is dodgy for a different reason.... without the rest of the page how are we supposed to know if Quicksilver was even moving when she attacked him? for all we can tell, they snuck up on him when he was standing completely still


i don't have the rest of the page, but i am almost 100% positive that he was running, though i have to check to make sure.

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I vote for SS , basicly because stormfront ether can't make up his mind on what the hell his characters powers and strategy is (every post he makes he changes it !) .


this is pathetic, you are voting out of spite. the only reason your voting against me is because you do not like me. i voted against you in the last round (but unlike you i had good reason and explained in detail for my reasoning), and you were arguing with me in the drafts, and admitted you thought i was pathetic and you didn't like me. ss hasn't even posted a battle stragety, and might have given up a page ago, yet you vote against me without even explaining. i have never questioned my characters powers, so that point opf yours is useless, and i'm not changing my stragety, i am making new ones because i get bored waiting for ss to reply. the one on page 1 still stands, and he hasn't even replied to that one yet, so that point is useless as well.

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storm's character's do seem to have the edge even if his plan isn't very . . . coherent.


please ignore all the other strageties that i talked about, and go by the one on page 1.

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Stormfront's plan isn't best I've seen


i know, i have multiple, but please go by the one on page 1. ss hasn't even responded to that i think.

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I kinda like ScarletSpider's plan more (good spelling helps a lot)


you can go through the whole thread, ss doesn't have a plan. he never posted one. and i know my spelling is horrible on the keyboard, because i barley use a keyboard. i was never tought the keyboard so i usually hit the wrong button. that and everytime i click on the spellcheck my computer freezes. so sorry fro the mistakes.

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Originally posted by stormfront13
well then i was misinformed(c'mon mungi)


I never told you to use that scan, it's not even AoA Aurora. Don't blame me. Anyways I commented on it above.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never told you to use that scan, it's not even AoA Aurora. Don't blame me. Anyways I commented on it above.


i know lol, in the respect thread it says that. just kidding though

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oh and on the first page where my stragety is, the one i'm using, i talked about aurora maiingthe tornado, and in case no one believes it i have the scans to prove it.

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i know lol, in the respect thread it says that. just kidding though


Eh! it says, "Aurora uses her light powers to fry his optic sensors", not optic nerves.


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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Eh! it says, "Aurora uses her light powers to fry his optic sensors", not optic nerves.


oh, whoooooooooopsy........my bad embarrasment

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Eh! it says, "Aurora uses her light powers to fry his optic sensors", not optic nerves.


"Optic lenses" actually..... and i didn't even have to go back and check....confused

....... -Goes back to check-.....

*damn*

It actually says "optilenses"

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"Optic lenses" actually..... and i didn't even have to go back and check....confused

....... -Goes back to check-.....

*damn*

It actually says "optilenses"

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You liar, it says optic sensors in the respect thread, bad bad bad bad liar. I should assassinate you but; regrettably the board needs you sad


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I should assassinate you but; regrettably the board needs you sad


Urban myth. Scoob started it himself, actually. Have fun. smile

There's no penalty for BSing stuff, but it DOES come with a high price if you end up getting caught doing so... Do you have issue numbers, SF? I must say I'm curious.


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Alright. I have a question, are one hit kills disabled? Because then Phantazia cannot use her EM powers on Machine Man--since it is effectively killing him, with one hit.

Also, you have Mimic with Deadpool's powers. Deadpool's healing factor messed with Calvin, and Cal found himself unable to un-mimic powers and mimic new ones. So doesn't that mean that your Mimic should be unable to copy Phantazia and Aurora and be stuck with his original powers for this tournament?

So they meet and discuss for an hour the best way to take out the opposing team. It is decided that as fast as possible, Booster puts a shield up over the team, as it absorbs energy and is not just a simple forcefield. That should negate any blasts from the opposing team. After that Booster can open holes in the field to allow Booster, Machine Man and Firebird to take shots at the opposing team.

Warpath goes to pound on Phantazia and keep her busy while Booser keeps firing blasts at her, trying to let Warpath to distract her. X-51 engages Vindicator, he's taken on the Hulk and can absorb energy thrown at him and put it in his power stores, so any fire stuff she tries shouldn't bother him, as long as he can keep her sufficiently above the ground so as to avoid any geysers. Since her suit is cybernetic, all he has to do is disorient her and use his technology interfacing abilities to shut down her suit.

Firebird takes on Mimic, now with X-51's help, she heats up Mimic as much as possible, at high enough temperatures he is vulnerable to heat. X-51 wraps his limbs around Mimic, using the various weapons in his fingertips to distract Cal while Firebird pours on the heat, getting close enough to guide the fire down his throat and into his eyes. She and Machine Man just do their best to blast him into unconsciousness.

Aurora's going to be a big problem, but beside Warpath, no one on the team is really vulnerable to her powers. Machine Man can use his sensors to track her when she gets going fast, and Booster can protect the team.

Now Aurora and maybe Phantazia are left. Warpath and Firebird can take care of Phantazia while Booster and X-51 take out Aurora, with their sensor equipment and shielding, they should be able to get her off guard at some point, likewise Warpath's strength, rattling any shields Phantazia has and Firebird cooking her out should shut down the mutant menace.


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Oh yeah forgot to ask, which version of Booster Gold is this?


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Meh, it's not really fair, but it IS an exploitable weakness, as it really wouldn't work on Thing, or most people of his durability level. You could call it a one hit kill, but it only is such against Machine Man and other robots. I know Iron Man's EMP proof though, has Machine Man ever done anything that suggests he could resist it?

Though... thinking about it... Phantazia could probably end up getting very Aquarian-style depowering on anyone who uses electronic enhancements... AKA turning them into just humans. She was sketchy throughout the whole draft for milder depowering abilities, but SF's saying she could do it to anyone using technlogy...

I'll let her live for now, but... God dammit, I REALLY didn't want to have to break out TOAA.

Alright, no one is dead yet, but Phantazia is being considered. Care to show us any limits to her powers, stormfront?


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How much heat can Machine Man absorb before his body actually melts? I think it's like 18000 F


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Kitty Pryde phased through Machine Man, and he got over it in the next panel. Yes, Machine Man's temperature extreme resistance goes up to 18000F, above that he starts to malfunction and melt.

I was using original/current version of Booster Gold. He's kept the same powers, just used different means to get them. Originally he had the tech from the future, then some Blue Beetle built suits. Now he seems to have a copy or simulacrum of his original suit, not sure where he got it from, it's quite advanced.


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Urban myth. Scoob started it himself, actually. Have fun. smile

There's no penalty for BSing stuff, but it DOES come with a high price if you end up getting caught doing so... Do you have issue numbers, SF? I must say I'm curious.


no, just pictures, though honestly as far as my knowlege goes i'm not bullshitting. everything i have said has happened.

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Alright. I have a question, are one hit kills disabled? Because then Phantazia cannot use her EM powers on Machine Man--since it is effectively killing him, with one hit.


it would only work on someone like machine man

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Also, you have Mimic with Deadpool's powers. Deadpool's healing factor messed with Calvin, and Cal found himself unable to un-mimic powers and mimic new ones. So doesn't that mean that your Mimic should be unable to copy Phantazia and Aurora and be stuck with his original powers for this tournament?


are you positive because i remember copying sunpyres powers with deadpools powers. i have a picture of their fight

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So they meet and discuss for an hour the best way to take out the opposing team. It is decided that as fast as possible, Booster puts a shield up over the team, as it absorbs energy and is not just a simple forcefield. That should negate any blasts from the opposing team. After that Booster can open holes in the field to allow Booster, Machine Man and Firebird to take shots at the opposing team.


you do realize that force-field or no force-field, phantazias powers to affect machinery still stands? in any of the pics i showed, did phantazia have to use a blast to affect anyone? nope, it can stil be affected with a force-field.

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Warpath goes to pound on Phantazia and keep her busy while Booser keeps firing blasts at her, trying to let Warpath to distract her. X-51 engages Vindicator, he's taken on the Hulk and can absorb energy thrown at him and put it in his power stores, so any fire stuff she tries shouldn't bother him, as long as he can keep her sufficiently above the ground so as to avoid any geysers. Since her suit is cybernetic, all he has to do is disorient her and use his technology interfacing abilities to shut down her suit.


all phantazia has to do is hit warpath once and he loses control over his abilities. and whose to say mimic couldn't intersept warpath, i mean mimic is faster and has better reaction time. if machina man is attacking people, then that leaves him suscptible to attack from phantazia, not that it would matter considering she can affect people inside of force-fields.

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Firebird takes on Mimic, now with X-51's help, she heats up Mimic as much as possible, at high enough temperatures he is vulnerable to heat. X-51 wraps his limbs around Mimic, using the various weapons in his fingertips to distract Cal while Firebird pours on the heat, getting close enough to guide the fire down his throat and into his eyes. She and Machine Man just do their best to blast him into unconsciousness.


firebird is an easy challenge for mimic. he easily beat sunpyre who is more powerful than firebird. mimic has enhanced reaction time, and all he needs is one hit to take her with his super-strength. one hit going at 100 would knock her out. it would take time to get sufficient heat to even harm him, with his speed that's time you don't have, besides, he has phantazia's powers and that means a force-field.

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Now Aurora and maybe Phantazia are left. Warpath and Firebird can take care of Phantazia while Booster and X-51 take out Aurora, with their sensor equipment and shielding, they should be able to get her off guard at some point, likewise Warpath's strength, rattling any shields Phantazia has and Firebird cooking her out should shut down the mutant menace.


don't you remember yourself saying that booster was dead on your team? i can show it to you if you;d like. you actuallt agreed with me that phantazia's abilities would work and that booster gold would be dead. anyway, machine man may be able to lock onto aurora, but hitting her is a whole other story. she moves too fast for him to hit. besides, i still have everyone on my team.

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Though... thinking about it... Phantazia could probably end up getting very Aquarian-style depowering on anyone who uses electronic enhancements... AKA turning them into just humans. She was sketchy throughout the whole draft for milder depowering abilities, but SF's saying she could do it to anyone using technlogy...


she doesn't de-power anyone. just makes it hard for them to sue their powers. that's completley legel, though she does it to non-technical people also. she just shuts down technology. she can't take a persons powers away though.


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1) on the whole mimic and deadpool thing, unless you can provide proof, it still stands, besides he was able to switch it because he doesn't have it anymore, or at least didn't. and if it is true, then i keep wolverine, and switch deadpool instead.

2)both mimic and aurora have superhuman reaction time. that makes them able to react to anything quicker before your team. once phantazia shuts down machine man and booster gold, which you already agreed could happen, then it only takes one hit to take forebird, and one or two hits to take warpath. remember, he has been beaten by someone weaker than him twice in the past off the top of my mind, and they both beat him very, very easily.

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