They're not, they're a legendary band. Just not massively know legendary.
"The King overrated? AC, he's one of my favourites."
So? He's still overrated. U2 are overrated, whether they're a favourite or not.
You said that The Who were UNDERRATED because they weren't rated as highly as you would like them to be. That's tied to how much you like them, not anything relevant.
Nobody's saying they are.
They're just worlds better. In terms of talent (on instruments and creatively), more innovative and more influential genuinely. They're not a name to be dropped so therefore, when someone says "FNM influenced me" you know it's genuine. Pop idiots reference The Beatles to be cool.
You made a thread called "Most Underrated Bands", in it you cited The Who and Fleetwood Mac, two of the furthest bands from being underrated that there are.
You're very confused.
Did I state anything else? "We're the best band in the world"-Bono.
I understand you're bitter about me forcing you further and further into irrelvancy by smashing your points and exposing your hypocricy, but do you have anything else to add, or are you here to just massage the sphincters of those who attempt to challenge me?
You're not good at playing Devil's Advocate, Whirly.
As great as someone can be or is, someone can still be underrated, AC. Take for instance Tim Duncan of the NBA. If you follow the NBA, you know that he is on the path to being the greatest power forward in NBA history, yet is still incredibly underrated. This is a similar loop hole.
The Who are often regarded as "The Best Band in the World Ever" by many "official" polls and are often labelled as the best ever on their respective instruments.
The former is subjective, but I disagree anyway. The second is factually untrue and proves how much they get overrated.
You bailed out of the Radiohead debate faster than Road Runner and simultaneously managed to dodge everything I said WHILE providing cop out replies. A record indeed. Oh, no wait. Of course, your reply was something along the lines of me not understanding because I'm young and had to be there, right?
Question of my own: Do you have anything relevant to say? Last I checked it was me who holds the last on topic post.
Are you done swerving? Because there are two threads in which you've dodged me now.
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Not really you get uspet when I quote reputable experts over your opinion and waffle on regardless. Of course the Beatles have influenced more bands than Radiohead and innovated more. You are obviously suffering from Clue Deficit Disorder.
And there you were, reigning supreme at number two.
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Oh the hypocrisy is widerife. Reputable experts? It's still their opinion Whirly . Heed your own words buddy, heed them well. You always resort to Google, in every single debate. You can never do it alone.
And you're obviously suffering from "Can't prove anything" disorder. You've still not replied to my last post about The Beatles innovation. You gave half-assed, pointless cop out replies and I called you out, you backed down.
Me: List everything innovative they've ever done.
You: Erm...lots of interesting instruments....sounds...in general.
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I always resort to secondary opinions from reputable experts who share my opinion agreed. I like to know my opinion is supported by evidence and not empty opinion - agreed.
Hypocrisy, I can tell that your charisma bypass was successful.
Short list
Musical
- renders much of existing USA RnR (esp Rockabilly, Phil. Mach., doo wop, pre-Motown girl groups, etc) out of style during initial introduction in 1964
- intense appeal of music revives bland/stultified pop market, success set up environment for British Invasion
- lay foundation for "arena rock," with their 1965 performance in Shea Stadium (NYC) entertaining 55,000 fans, demonstrating their intense appeal
- Beatles helped set in motion a maturation process for RnR, ultimately ending with their contribution for establishing "Rock" by proving that RnR could be conduit for significant message re culture/society: in process they expanded to embrace topics and musical style formerly excluded from RnR genre
- expansion in full bloom on Revolver '66: "Taxman"--protest about rapacious taxation by UK govt, "Eleanor Rigby"-- reflecting on emptiness of life and religious ritual, melody set to string quartet (no trad. rock insts), "Love To You"-- introduction of subcontinent Indian musical style (raga) and instruments (tabla and sitar), "Tomorrow Never Knows"-- Lennon advocation for opening one's mind to new experience, exploiting technical innovations (see technical)
- music sets new artistic and commercial standards for future RnR (the "yardstick" by which every group will be measure in '60s and into '70s)
- sets trend for bands establishing and maintaining artistic control over their music:
- inaugurate era of "self-contained" band (inspiring thousands to pick up guitars and imitate them)
- help to reestablish trend that artists compose songs for themselves: bands now expected (by fans) to create own material; redirects song-writing trend away from centralized, production-line, professional song-writing concept indicative of Brill Bldg
- set trend for bands to record their music themselves
- in all, establishing many aspects of "DIY" trend, which becomes measure of authority
- accorded credit for creating new style of album with Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band: "concept album," in which songs can be seen to relate to one central topic or idea
- helps establish "album" rather than "single" as industry standard
- seen as pushing Beatle creativity into realm of classical music: Pepper's songs now contain stylistic diversity and artistic sophistication to be considered equivalent to Romantic "art-song" and album equivalent to Romantic "song cycle" by Schubert, Schumann, Wolf, etc
- seen as early pioneers of music video with promotional film for "SFF", also sections of HDN
- said to start (but re-introduce) concept of double A-side single
Music Technology/Creative Process
- begin to create exclusively in studio (retire from touring in 12/66)
- first successful band to do so, set trend for future bands
- pioneer new techniques to maintain creative/innovative musical style
- begin to rely on creativity of studio technicians/producer:
- E.g. ADT (artificial double tracking ["flanging"]) created to ease problematic vocal double-tracking process for JLennon, comes into wide-spread use on instruments in future albums
- E.g. Lennon's request that G Martin combine two "uncombinable" versions of "Strawberry Fields Forever"
- E.g. subjecting voices, instruments to unusual electronic modifications (limiters, etc) to produce sophisticated, inimitable "sound"
- explore innovative, avant-garde techniques (formerly unused in RnR)
- E.g. musique concrete--modification of sound through unconventional techniques: tape loops used in "Tomorrow..", steam calliope 'wash' used to help create circus atmosphere in "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite"
- E.g. Aleatoric approach toward creating orchestral crescendos in "Day In A Life"
- E.g. avant-garde influence in "Revolution No. 9"
- experimentation is so pervasive that nearly every subsequent technique used in Rock can be traced to precedent in Beatles music
- first significant group to achieve "verticality" in business through Apple Corp. (i.e controlling all significant aspects of their business (from songwriting to recording to movies etc. through an in-house/self-contained entity)
case rested point proved.
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