Wade's through the contradiction and fallacy that is the following argument
Aka Common Sense.
Not many considering the level of athleticism has raised so far up it's nuts and players shifting focus on a particular sport as opposed to risking injury in dabbling in multiple.
Just about everyone *watches the streetball tourney hosted by D-Brown*
The same amount of centers that weigh less then Kobe.........
Of course there was plenty of talent, it just wasn't good talent.
The fact that you talk about the Full court press like it's incredible that they could do it only helps me
Yup.
Which is why this league is so much better.
So you call a 20% win ratio good management?
That's because it's true.
Wins > race. Just look at the 80's Celtics
So you are telling me that someone like Artest or even Tim Duncan wouldn't get pissed if Kobe put one in the mouth (NH) and try to get back at him (and it also explains why Wilt used to dunk on everyone and their mother back in the day)?
Happens nowadays too.
Which in turn is why crappy players like Russell were able to dominate and why the defensive powerhouses of today shit on him so hard, less restrictive defense rules.
Dunks...........only show off moves.......................
Call that crappy coaching.
Because it only helps my crappy management/lesser knowledge/crappy coaching argument............
Considering dunking from the freethrow line was unheard of until Dr. J did it, I'd say that's more overrexageration then anything.
That's like saying, Michael Jordan CAN FLY he just DOESN'T SHOW IT because his crappy coaches WON'T LET HIM!
What's a chronosnub? Is that like chronosnob except with the u representing having common sense?
BUT THEY DIDN'T DUNK BACK IN THE DAY OMG (btw calling him the original alley oop finisher only helps my crappy era argument)!
OMG SOMEONE GIVE HIM A MEDAL! HE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN RASHO NASTEROVICH DO!
Not even close.
Omg and Jordan grew up EMULATING Dr. J's superb everything skills, let's put Dr. J in the same league as Jordan in everything now!
Shows how weak the basketball knowledge was.
Funny because we all know big men take the ball up court in this day and age!
Yep because we all know the big man has replaced the guard in the art of dribbling in this day and age!
Because we all know that if you can learn to shoot somewhat decently you can automatically learn to dribble somewhat decently because it's all like the same thing!
Didn't those Russell teams have like half of the HoF's of that era? GREAT talent dispersal! Btw I was comparing talent back then to today.
Because the Phoenix Suns/Dallas Mavericks don't have near that in the era of defense wins championships
Russell doesn't need to score because he has a team of HoF'rs and played in a shitty league.
WOW BOWEN HAS ONE STATISTIC OVER MILES! GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL!
Stats =/= defensive prowess.
Which is why stats =/= defensive prowess.
You make it seem like it's hard to get an assist when you play in a league full of 06 Phoenix Suns and spend 99% of your time on the court standing 5 feet away from the basket and consider something as simple as a full court press REVOLUTIONARY!
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What? That going by stats there was a point in Oscar's career where he was a better rebounder then Shaq at a certain point in his career?
Less dunking/grammar school level passing =/= "better basketball fundamentals"
Because we all know that all it takes to be a good player is learning to be a switch handed passer and shooter (a skill that even I'm adept at).
Yup, just like how Wilt never dunked the ball, Elgin Baylor is always bashed for being a high flyer, and Bill wasn't the "original alley oop finisher" and how Kobe already dunks the ball more then maybe twice a game.
So wait, Russell had these techniques when he was playing or are you giving him the magical ability to adapt to the current play and not lose a step even though the best you can come up with is something that they practice in the YMCA basketball leagues (playing switch-handed).
yeah, give it up for the crazy dude who really likes to OVEREXAGGERATE! Comparing the athletism of Russell, which is considered outstanding even in the videos you gave us, to Rasho is anything but logical. Good use of weak sarcasm, too.
as for bowen, he's a better defender than miles. if you've ever see the two defend, bowen stays in front of his men (who btw are a lot harder to handle) far longer than miles does. miles gets more blocks because of his height, and more steals because of his long wingspan. Zaza Pachulia averaged more blocks and steals than bowen. do you mean to tell me that he was a better defender than bowen?
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Last edited by RecSpecs110 on Oct 9th, 2006 at 03:04 AM
I would trade Miles for Bowen's in a heart beat. Miles has no sense of how to stick with his man. He is athletic and that is about it. I wish I could see extended versions of Miles's steals stats. Like how many steals are off dribble vs off pass (I'm pretty sure they are almost all stealing passes). Then I would like to see stats on how many times Miles's lunging for passes to steal result in not getting the steal and leaving an open man for an easier basket than Miles would have got himself. Also, I have NEVER seen somebody brick as many dunks as Miles has in my life. I get scared whenever I see Miles on a break because he is so eager to make a highlight real that he throws the ball down with too much strength to control where it goes.
To sum up Miles, this is a good equation:
Intelligence = Pile of poop
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i never said stats were the "end all be all way" of determining who's better. i said stats are the most credible way, but you also have to watch the players actually play. i was defending stats, because you were completely ignoring them by showing highlight flims.
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Last edited by RecSpecs110 on Oct 10th, 2006 at 02:23 AM
nope, i meant ignoring stats as in knowing that stats was a big factor in determining that russell is better than miles, but at the same time, denying it in any possible way from highlight films to bullshit about eras and whatnot. thats what i meant when i said you ignored stats. Trying to win a pointless argument with weak supportive details.
I said he was better by the way they play, competition, and skills they displayed and showed highlights to emphasize how much better he looked. You said Russell's better because he could dominate the non-athletic/garbage athletes of his era and because of the stat inflation because of it.
So you didn't just say Russell is better then Miles because of stats despite the fact that you just called stats the most credible way of determing who's better and your whole argument has been stats lol?
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