Check this out man, he absorbs heat. If hes not absorbing the heat he gets burned like a marshmallow in a campfire. Im using TWO Crystals do THREE things, fire your ass up, suddenly shift the floor under you (6.7 on the richter scale, and use wind control to 1) tornado you away, 2) bring heat steam up (http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html [last subtitle only six miles deep], http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/...ergy-works.html --
"Under the earth's crust, there is a layer of hot and molten rock called magma. Heat is continually produced there, mostly from the decay of naturally radioactive materials like uranium and potassium. The amount of heat within 10,000 meters (about 33,000 feet [less than a 30 mile radius] of the surface contains 50,000 times more energy than all the oil and natural gas resources in the world" )
and 3) after your all burned alive take all the oxygen away and these three things serve to
A) Disoreint your precious concentration, and divert it elsewhere
B) take your grounding away
C) Overwelm you with your only weakness: your very power
4) make you die within minutes if you havent been burned.
as to the blindnees, dude your standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. What idiot isnt gonna lash out to the team they are fighting right in front of them?
Not to mention I have THREE gravity fields thus making you as immobile or mobile as I want (getting thrown around wicked hard hurts)
dude your gonna ask for proof that is in every single bio ever made? I mean common I dont have a scan. However every single person who has said it without a scan is a liar? pffffffft man thats reaching.
Dude the whole thing happened in one panel unless im very mistaken. Doubt I am.
and sorry im not a scan whore like you and scoob, however it serves to show the massive amounts of power at her disposal, and if nothing else a reminder that my range of attack is MUCH better than yours.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah heard it all before, you're still blinded then frozen then dead before you know what's happening.
Yeah, right in front of you. HALF A FREAKING MILE AWAY. All my team has to do is scatter while Frostbite and Light attack you, and you're F*CKED. Even more than before.
Uhh, yes? On most boards like this, we don't take the word of the damn bios over actual appearances. Black Bolt is only listed as having class 60 strength on EVERY SINGLE BIO ON THE NET, and yet he's constantly beaten or stalemated HIGH class 100s. Have you EVER seen a bio listing the Thing as class 100 when he obviously is in the comics? Yes, Inhumans are supposed tob e faster, but not to the same degree. Karnak is faster than any Inhuman bar none. You need to PROVE that she is significantly faster than humans, or your argument is suspect.
Yes, because they were going to devote more than a page to her being a living air filter. The scans says NOTHING about the time it took her to do that. For all anyone knows it took ten minutes to do it.
See, this just proves how little you know about your own character.
Check your own link. The heavier the substance is, the less volume she can control. All the scans prove is that she's strong enough to filter dust out for 30 miles in every direction. NOTHING else.
Oh, and because we bring actual proof to our debates, that makes us whores? Riiight. The fact is, you can't prove ANY of the claims you've made here, while I've proven everything, providing scans at the request of anyone, not just yourself.
BUT as a race inhumans are naturally quicker than humans so id give crystal and edge over frostbite. And im not sure frostbite could deal with crystals attack. Absorbing the heat from a bombs one thing but being lit on fire is another.
Very close, could have gone either way. Basically what it came down to who is quicker on the draw between Crystal and Frostbite, and on that I give it to Crystal. Khellendros made some excellent points, but Blair counted most of it. Hmmm....have to think about this more, and most likely vote in the morning.
Seriously? He has yet to prove Crystal has ANY noticeable advantage over base humans, much less a superhuman who can use heat to amp his own stats.
You wanna see what it takes to max out Frostbite's heat absorption levels? The guy trying to burn him is Burnout, who is a Human Torch type with comparable feats (burning through uber durable materials, extreme control over his own flames, flying at high speeds etc). Look at the amount of energy Frostbite is purging, and you ask yourself if you HONESTLY think Crystal can produce MORE than that much energy in a split second, because it would take than what you see in that scan to put him out. (please log in to view the image)
He has posted no speed or reaction time feats, no durability feats, nothing to prove that she's faster. Even if she IS a little bit faster, she CANNOT produce enough heat to push Frostbite to his limit before his attack effects her.
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She is blind in this fight. He hasn't disputed that at all, because he CAN'T. Do you seriously think that her Inhuman speed is going to help when the first few seconds would be spent in confusion over suddenly being blinded?
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He's posted nothing about Grail, whose shields can stand up to anything his weakened and blinded team can throw at him.
He's got a bunch of human durability characters whose only defense is their ability to use their powers efectively. Once they are blinded and freezing, they are defenseless as newborns. It doesn't matter if Crystal is slightly faster, Frostbite can take any flames she can ditch out. It doesn't matter how many people he has on his team if they can't see where their enemies are. Logically, I don't see how you can vote for him when he can't actually back up any of his supposed "counterpoints" and I can back up every single one of my claims with hard evidence.
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hmmm.......he doesnt have a strategy against grail. Blair if you could post somekind of defense against grail that would really seal my vote, as of now i guess i will be the first to switch my vote.
Nice pointing out loose ends in blairs strategy khell.
He has no defense. Damnit, this WOULD happen when I'm away from where I can get scans. But Grail is a f*cking SNIPER with his chi blasts. Even if he had to hit them from halfway across the arena, it wouldn't be a problem.
Grail? Sure, they only time he has shown someone trying to hold on to Grail was through physical force. I however have two things he doesnt, wind control x2 and Gravity Frields x3. I can effectively throw him "wicked" hard
Also the fact that Crystal can suddenly make any earthquake on the scale of 6.7 on the Richter scale would disorient him enough to be able to attack him in anyway possible. Its not about harming him at that point but about making him scared, confused, and greatly disoriented. Fire and heat steam, and lava reaches you faster than you think. The purpose of the scan in the other fight was to again show that she can lif things of much greater density. All these things will overpower frostbite, and Burnout is a poor mans Human Torch.
Also take into account there is a tornado going on at the same time. Thats 115 mph combined with fire, a sudden and unexpected earthquake, and while they are being thrown around like ragdolls by gravity, I can just take all the oxygen out, and since lava doesnt need oxygen they are effectively burned and since they did not get a chance to hold their breath a few minutes and you will lose conscouisness. You will also experiance pain, and lots of it. Burning alive, and the fact that dying with no oxygen has been compared to the pain of a heart attack, your whole body straining to get some precious oxygen.
According to this (its the closest thing I could find) having no oxygen whatsoever would leave you unconsious in as little as 15 seconds
remember that the bulletin is not related to the other bulletins, it is its own effect of not having oxygen, not combined with any of the others (or the fact that its in space, simply the fact that you have no oxygen) You will still be alive, but unable to do anything at all.
The fact that Im blind plays no role in the fact that your still straight in front of me. Im gonna lash out. Thats what people in fights do. so yes I did see where they where and can attack in the general direction. You have no where to run to we are in an arena. I can just attack a widespread attack, and effect all of you. Also considering that Crystals attacks have worked inside Invisible Womens bubbles, I see no reason why this wouldnt my powers being as widespread as they are, once my tornado effects light, and his concentration goes away, I couldnt attack inside his sheilds and burn him alive. Gravity x3 is also an important factor in just "shoving" all your memebers backwards and placing them firmely on the ground with no way of getting up.
Dude. We're HALF A MILE AWAY and you're FREEZING TO DEATH. You can't pin someone down or blow him away when you CAN'T SEE HIM.
Also: "suddenly make an earthquake"? How many things have you actually READ with Crystal in it? She can't make any kind of significant earthquake before she's too cold to stand upright.
Dude I have three gravity FIELDS. let me emphasis that FIELDS. Ok now think with me. I do not need to pinpoint your characters. The whole damn field is under my control. I have three of them. I can push anything within that field anyway I want. I do a SHOVE of the field, and then press down HARD. with three fields up you will be immobile. period. YOUR still gasping for air. 15 seconds done with and your unconsous. period
the earthquake is due to her being able to shift the tectonic plates suddenly at a richter scale of 6.7. Seems to work for me
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dude your gonna ask for proof that is in every single bio ever made? I mean common I dont have a scan. However every single person who has said it without a scan is a liar? pffffffft man thats reaching.
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