Lightning doesn't always move at the speed it's supposed to move at in fiction, just like laser beams, etc.
Sora has legit "move so fast you can't perceive them" type of speed. Link doesn't.
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Incorrect. We’ve seen teleportation in KH and it doesn’t look like that. Roxas’ feat most closely resembles Ven using it to save Aqua early in the game and he clearly moves from across the room, not teleporting. Characters can travel between worlds using their own magic if sufficiently powerful and Roxas is certainly that.
Alright. Even if that's so, it doesn't mean sora is that fast. In fact, that scene starts with sora kairi and axel getting their butts kicked by siax. So if anything, that just further proves sora isn't on roxas's level.
Plus theres that age old argument about combat speed vs travel speed
Last edited by NotAllThatEvil on Jul 31st, 2019 at 09:17 PM
Ah but the rest of the scene has Xemnas reacting to and explicitly dodging Roxas going that fast. After that it’s a simple matter of scaling: anyone at Xemnas’ level(which Sora would be above) can react to someone moving that fast, quick enough to dodge it.
Sora also blocks Xehanort’s beam at the end of the game, a beam which is also FTL but also not likely as fast as Roxas.
Theres a lot of assumptions there, such as roxas traveling light speed the entire time and didn't slow down even a little before impact or that his heart popping out of sora didn't clue xemnas to dodge. And given the fact that jack sparrow was able to run just as fast if not faster than sora earlier in the game. I don't think it's a solid argument
Xemnas never notes the heart and the editing indicates he is reacting to the beam from the sky. Roxas has no reason to slow down in that instance as he is trying to save his friends.
Sora wanted to talk to Jack, Heartless were in the way to the Pearl, Sora had just fallen off the edge of the World, Sora wasn’t using Flowmotion or Airstepping, and KH Jack is obviously much more than a simple human.
Well a teenage boy traveling at the speed of light would cause over a megaton of force on impact, but roxas only kicks up a little dust when he lands. The editing also implies that roxas's journey is slower than light speed as his descent can be perceived by the naked eye. We also don't know the distance between the keyblade graveyard and radiant garden, so it's honestly impossible to calculate his speed
Plus you're logic on sora being that fast I believe is also flawed, just because xemnas is able to react to roxas's impact(which may or may not be light speed) that doesn't mean he is able to attack just as fast so sora taking him on isn't nearly as impressive. Also, everytime sora has beat xemnas he has had help from riku. So sora AND riku may be fast enough to overwhelm xemnas, but there's indication that just sora is.
Last edited by NotAllThatEvil on Jul 31st, 2019 at 10:45 PM
At the beginning of the game a man literally grabs a tornado and throws it into space. I think we can forgive some creative liberties. And Roxas being visible to Xemnas doesn’t mean he’s sublight speed lol. Supes can track the Flash on average. And while yes we don’t know the exact distance, the average distance between two stars would make it a distance of about 5 light years.
Sora has fought Xemnas 3 times without Riku. In the first game(with help), in 2(solo), and in DDD(with help). Most noteworthy is 2 where Sora has specific reaction commands where he utterly outspeeds Xemnas. Note that Riku in 2 is helping against a Xemnas powered up by Kingdom Hearts while Sora fought Base Xemnas. It is base Xemnas that reacted to Roxas.
In the kingdom hearts universe, all worlds were once part of the same planet that broke during the keyblade war and are separated by magic barriers. Why would you assume they share the same distances as stars in our universe?
The one time he fights him solo it was an illusion to distract the keyblade long enough to absorb kingdom hearts. And why would you assume he's the weaker version when he uses his powered up version's finishing move on axel in that scene?
Because each world in KH is a star. From there it is only natural to use our real world numbers for feats since that is all we have.
Well half correct. He uses his powers to make an illusionary battlefield but Xemnas himself is still there. We know this because Zexion is always present in his illusionary battlefields. Keep in mind he also only does this to Sora, which would be a poor distraction since Riku and the others don’t get trapped in an illusion. Occam’s Razor would likely mean that Xemnas attempts to isolate and defeat Sora, was defeated, then fused with KH when he lost. And I assume base Xemnas is weaker because Zebra Xemnas has much better feats, such as creating a small pocket dimension and summoning a giant metal spaceship dragon.
I swear I don't usually do this, but somehow this is enough of a nit for me to pick at it.
Jafar didn't just unmake Sora because Disney genies are bound by the Rules, which means he can't directly kill anyone. He can put people in perilous situations that lead to their deaths, but straight up murder is literally impossible for him.
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