Yes The Wrath/Spectre is how ppl perceive the Logoz but that does not me it IS the Logos. The whole time The Spectre has been going around fighting Shazam, CM and Phantom Stranger and hundreds of others, that is what The Wrath does and is, just another name for The Wrath is The Spectre. The Wrath/Spectre was trying to take control of Hal and get him to switch to vengeance, and eventually he wore him down and Hal did switch. Everything fits together what I'm saying, Maybe your not looking hard enough or just don't want to look
the reason that the spectre didnt get all the power he needed from absorbing all those magical beings or whatever is cause i believe that it was said in wiki about alex luthor that he was using that energy for his own uses which is why he wanted the spectre to go crazy.
See, this is where the wording gets messed up, I consider the character as a whole "The Spectre", as he's called such, even when The Wrath is not present, even when he's not judging. The Wrath is embodiment of Wrath, and The Logoz is what the powersource is when all the masks are removed. I try to do that to make it less confusing, but I can see where people get caught up in the wording. The Wrath is not The Logoz, it's an imprint on it.
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Forget what Black Alice did. Come up with the scans to show first off that Talisman controlled skyfather level spirits and then show proof that she can control abstract level spirits. Without such proof, your argument is void from the get go.
At first I thought he was just playing around, but he seems to seriously believe that she could feasibly control Spectre. I believe she could try attacking the host, the host spirit is vulnerable until it discerns what must be judged and unleashes the wrath.
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No it's a serious comment, she has been shown to control skyfather beings from the spirit world and she is the Gods avatar as well as the Spirit Binder. Also, like I said a hundred times which you guys seem to ignore physically she can't beat him, her best and only hope was if she could control him due to he is a spirit.
I'm not trying to really poke fun of you for your belief, I'm really just more suspended in disbelief that anyone thinks character shown as among the mightest of all characters, a capable godslayer, will lose to an Earth mystic through simple spirit control techniques.
Huh? I did, and what did I say several times in this thread? No I can't prove it if I knew for sure she could control him then I wouldn't have made this thread. Are you guys reading what I posted?
Poorly supported? I have shown scans of how Talisman is said to manipulate all spirits and shown how she has manipulate skyfather beings because they were from the spirit world.
Actually I never said Talisman or Spectre would lose, just posted evidence for Talisman since let's be honest no one knows about her. Also as I said before she can't match up with him physically, her only way and I mean only way she could win if the manipulation would work.
That's fine, that's what this debate is about if she could or not. You asked for scans stating that Llan is the source of evil I provided that, you asked for scans showing Talisman controlling skyfather level creatures and I did that. I provided scans that Talisman is unqiue and special and the gods avatar, and the Binder of Spirits. Do not dare say my arguements were poorly supported.
As I said countless times, yet people think that I have said Talisman can match him power-wise...which she can't, her only bet is IF she could control him. If not then yes 10/10 for Spectre.
Your arguments for saying that Talisman could beat Spectre were indeed poorly supported. None of what you provided is anywhere near sufficient to make anyone with common sense even entertain such a notion.
AHHH! I never said that, I posted scans to show Talisman's power. Read what I have said, and no what is unreasonable the Gods Avatar and the Binder of SPirits manipulating spirits who has manipulate skyfathers with no trouble manipulate Spectre who is also a spirit. You on the other hand have not brought anything to this debate other than trying to insult me.