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Re: The ins and outs of Slade Wilson

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Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I've been on a few comic boards in my day, and there are some things out there about Slade that either aren't explained well enough, or just are flat out crap. Here's a few:

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Slade can hit Flash if Flash is going full speed.
Slade can dodge Superman if Superman is going full speed.
Slade could take on Wonder Woman.


No one has ever once said these things. No one has ever said he has FTL reactions...ever.

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Slade's reactions are at the speed of his thought process. Though this is quick, it does NOT make him quicker than Spider-Man, who can move 15x quicker than a normal man, or Quicksilver who is even quicker than Spider-Man.

How fast can QS run? His bio says 750mph, Slade's reactions are faster.
Slade's mind is superhumanly fast, 10x fast. His reflexes move at those same speeds. Human thought is 250mp, since Slade's body moves as fast as his mind, his reflexes are about 2500mph.

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Slade tagging Kid Flash. Now, there are two things to keep in mind here.
1. Kid Flash is not moving full speed in a sprint, so this is not his quickest.
2. Slade is getting tagged at a very rapid pace. He was able to dodge one hit, then roll with the momentum and tag him.

Flash was fighting fast enough to be near invisible at the start. He slowed down to something above sound.

Slade countered it using his own super speed. Seriously, you can't COUNTER and dodge a punch if you aren't as fast as the punch.

Also, as Slade said "I'm fast, too". And since Impulse wasn't going above sound, Slade was indeed faster.

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Slade is not durable enough to take anti-tank rounds to the chest.[/quote]
Yes, yes he is. He has a healing factor AND an uber suit. He took those rounds without having to heal. He 100% is that durable.


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This is the instinct mode. This is where he can mentally put himself to where his only thoughts are on survival, due to his 90% brain control. It allows him to push past pain easy.


No, it's due to his meta stats. His ENTIRE body was made superhuman, including his durability.

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This is where his 5 or so ton strength comes in. He's strong enough to move Wonder Woman. There's still no precognition, considering she was able to hit him. She wasn't really pushing herself.


You're missing the point. WW is a herald level being, and Slade gave her trouble. Also, you missed the biggest point: The comic says Slade IS INDEED faster than Wonder Woman. There goes the "He has no superspeed" argument.


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Superman is NOT moving at full speed there, even though it's a great show of agility on Slade's part. He's very good with acrobatics, but don't kid yourself into thinking Slade is trying.

Not, Superman isn't moving full speed. But, the next page shows Superman saying "You're FASTER than your billing, mister. I wasn't even able to react to use my heat vision in time" Again, emphasizing Slade's speed.

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Slade did NOT know where she was until Cheetah pointed her out.

They downplay his senses when he's in a group, otherwise, how else are you going to use Cheetah if Slade can do it himself?

Slade's senses are wolverine level if not more. Oh, they ALSO "forgot" to mention Slade has built in radar in his mask.

P I S


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Slade even mentions that his opponent is less skilled than he.

No he doesn't. He (Slade) simply says he's on par or even faster than kid Flash. An issue earlier, Slade side stepped Starfires beam with Kid Flash was too slow to do.

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Slade had no powers at the time, no super strength/speed/healing or otherwise. He was also tired from just fighting a 12 or two superheroes including a GL. So, basically it's a normal human v aquaman and Slade still came out on top.


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Now, I've been throwing this pic around like crazy to those who say that Slade can evade anyone uber in DC if they're moving full speed. Slade vs Superman:
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Superman's blasts move at light speed, the Flash himself probably couldn't have dodged it. But, Slade's reflexes were fast enough to notice the blast before it hit him.


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Slade cannot speedblitz

He can and has many, many times. He can blitz a normal human close up as if they were standing still.

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He does NOT have superspeed.

That's news to his creator and 99% of his non-batman feats. He has a decent amount of superspeed, his creator said "He can hang with Flash for the first few steps."

He has superspeed.


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Re: The ins and outs of Slade Wilson

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Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I've been on a few comic boards in my day, and there are some things out there about Slade that either aren't explained well enough, or just are flat out crap. Here's a few:

Slade can hit Flash if Flash is going full speed.
Slade can dodge Superman if Superman is going full speed.
Slade could take on Wonder Woman.

etc, etc. Well, what I'm going to do is give a dissection of Slade Wilson, and what he can and cannot do.

*NOTE: This is not an anti-Slade thread. This is a thread that explains him.*

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The kneecapping. Notice the mention of a tranquilizer. Though Impulse would metabolize it out quickly, this is not an indication of Slade being able to hit Impulse with a shotgun blast. This is Slade hitting a target that's standing still. If anything, this is how ruthless he is.

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Slade's reactions are at the speed of his thought process. Though this is quick, it does NOT make him quicker than Spider-Man, who can move 15x quicker than a normal man, or Quicksilver who is even quicker than Spider-Man.

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Slade tagging Kid Flash. Now, there are two things to keep in mind here.
1. Kid Flash is not moving full speed in a sprint, so this is not his quickest.
2. Slade is getting tagged at a very rapid pace. He was able to dodge one hit, then roll with the momentum and tag him.

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Slade roughing up the Batgod. I'm just putting it there because I wanted everyone to know that I don't hate Slade, and those pics are just damn funny.

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These scans speak well for his pain tolerance. Here's when people get it mixed up.
Durability is bulletproofing.
Pain Tolerance is being able to push past pain.
Slade is not durable enough to take anti-tank rounds to the chest. He can heal quick enough to take it, and can push past the pain. Guess it speaks well for his healing abilities as well.

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Damn. His quickness and the hormone additive allow him to see things slower than most people. However, THIS IS NOT PRECOGNITION! He's getting no forewarning of what happening. I'll explain more later.

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Slade just punked Wally West? How? First of all, he's not precognative. The first blast was while Wally was just turning around. Then, Slade made sure there was only one way for Wally to go, and that was where he was. That is planning ahead, NOT PRECOG! It's a strategy feat.

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This is the instinct mode. This is where he can mentally put himself to where his only thoughts are on survival, due to his 90% brain control. It allows him to push past pain easy.

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I don't get it.

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This is where his 5 or so ton strength comes in. He's strong enough to move Wonder Woman. There's still no precognition, considering she was able to hit him. She wasn't really pushing herself.

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Superman is NOT moving at full speed there, even though it's a great show of agility on Slade's part. He's very good with acrobatics, but don't kid yourself into thinking Slade is trying.

Now, for the Identity Crisis fight, brought to you by TS.
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Okay, right there, notice how Slade once again tricked Wally to move into the blade. There was nowhere else to go. It's not precog. It's knowing your opponents. Strategy feat.

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Speed and strategy. Shows how Slade planned out this encounter, and knew what to do and where. To be honest, I'm baffled.

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More strategy. He already knew before the fight began that he could cut off Hawkman's wings.

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Very nice. Takes out Green Arrow's weapons.

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More strategy. Up to this point, Slade hasn't done anything that is beyond his means, but it gets bad here in a second.

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Heads up!
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Different colored dust particle or something? I don't get it.

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What
The
F*ck!?
What the heck man! He should be dead right there. That's the part that gets me. Why on earth if you have the power to just stop him right there, do you try to punch the guy? It's not gonna work!
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Am I the only one shaking my head? It was feasible until GL stepped in. Anyway, let's move on before I kill a man.

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Slade did NOT know where she was until Cheetah pointed her out.

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That thows precog out the window. Nightwing should be able to hit him if Slade is precognative. Definition of precognition:
Precognition is a form of extra-sensory perception which allows a "percipient" to perceive information about future places or events before they happen (as opposed to merely predicting them based on deductive reasoning and current knowledge).

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Slade even mentions that his opponent is less skilled than he.

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Tactics again. He was able to outsmart his opponent, but by no means defeated them. He just escaped. A huge difference.

Now, I've been throwing this pic around like crazy to those who say that Slade can evade anyone uber in DC if they're moving full speed. Slade vs Superman:
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There we go. So, I hope I've cleared things up. Here's what I've discovered through my research:
Slade is an amazing tactician, but is not precognative.
Slade cannot speedblitz
Slade has enhanced reflexes. He does NOT have superspeed.

There you have it.


Good thread. Very accurate.


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Actually this thread is retarted I noticed that all the scans are from the Slade respect thread.......roll eyes (sarcastic)

TS more then likely hasn't even read the books where the scans are from so his explanations are just his own interpretation of what the scans show,with no knowledge of what happens before or after the actual scan.

In other words he's talking out his ass............erm


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Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Yeah, it's kind of an essay on his abilities, and how he pulls stuff off. Thanks to Long Pig and Silver Spider for the scans.


Duh he took them from the respect thread. I'd figure that was apparent. However, didn't a mod just comment earlier in the thread on how good he did?
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And I'd like to say that this is how more respect threads should be done. It's rather unbiased, and points out both strengths AND weaknesses....good showings and bad (though still mostly good). Bravo.


By the Bye, how do you know whether he read them or not?


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Duh he took them from the respect thread. I'd figure that was apparent. However, didn't you just comment earlier in the thread on how good he did?

Did I say it was good...........What the f**k? I told Digi to merge them as I thought there where other scans besides the ones in the Respect thread.


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yeh so kiss his AND my ass


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From what I've seen, the only other scan that's not in that thread is the one of Superman ramming Slade into a wall. Slade is a very inconsitant character though. erm Nothing in this thread seemed innacurate. It seems like it was basically started to quell the fanboy rumours. I've read Slade's stuff, and to be honest, he doesn't have superspeed. He's enhanced human with a strength upgrade. He's quicker than the average Joe, but not super-speed.


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yeh so kiss his AND my ass

You really love him don't you........laughing
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From what I've seen, the only other scan that's not in that thread is the one of Superman ramming Slade into a wall. Slade is a very inconsitant character though. erm Nothing in this thread seemed innacurate. It seems like it was basically started to quell the fanboy rumours. I've read Slade's stuff, and to be honest, he doesn't have superspeed. He's enhanced human with a strength upgrade. He's quicker than the average Joe, but not super-speed.

Well if that's what you got from reading this thread then fine.


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You really love him don't you........laughing

Well if that's what you got from reading this thread then fine.


Then live and let live, and leave AJ alone. It's evident that this guy was a good friend.


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Then live and let live, and leave AJ alone. It's evident that this guy was a good friend.

And you felt the need to tell me to leave him alone after he came at me with this......
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yeh so kiss his AND my ass

What the f**k?


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Well, you did insult his friend, right?


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Then live and let live, and leave AJ alone. It's evident that this guy was a good friend.
thank u loads wat a pal yes he was one of best freinds on here, and i dont want to argue we have got on so far lets not ruin it ok


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Re: Re: The ins and outs of Slade Wilson

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No one has ever once said these things. No one has ever said he has FTL reactions...ever.


How fast can QS run? His bio says 750mph, Slade's reactions are faster.
Slade's mind is superhumanly fast, 10x fast. His reflexes move at those same speeds. Human thought is 250mp, since Slade's body moves as fast as his mind, his reflexes are about 2500mph.


Flash was fighting fast enough to be near invisible at the start. He slowed down to something above sound.

Slade countered it using his own super speed. Seriously, you can't COUNTER and dodge a punch if you aren't as fast as the punch.

Also, as Slade said "I'm fast, too". And since Impulse wasn't going above sound, Slade was indeed faster.


Slade is not durable enough to take anti-tank rounds to the chest.[/quote]
Yes, yes he is. He has a healing factor AND an uber suit. He took those rounds without having to heal. He 100% is that durable.




No, it's due to his meta stats. His ENTIRE body was made superhuman, including his durability.



You're missing the point. WW is a herald level being, and Slade gave her trouble. Also, you missed the biggest point: The comic says Slade IS INDEED faster than Wonder Woman. There goes the "He has no superspeed" argument.



Not, Superman isn't moving full speed. But, the next page shows Superman saying "You're FASTER than your billing, mister. I wasn't even able to react to use my heat vision in time" Again, emphasizing Slade's speed.


They downplay his senses when he's in a group, otherwise, how else are you going to use Cheetah if Slade can do it himself?

Slade's senses are wolverine level if not more. Oh, they ALSO "forgot" to mention Slade has built in radar in his mask.

P I S



No he doesn't. He (Slade) simply says he's on par or even faster than kid Flash. An issue earlier, Slade side stepped Starfires beam with Kid Flash was too slow to do.


Slade had no powers at the time, no super strength/speed/healing or otherwise. He was also tired from just fighting a 12 or two superheroes including a GL. So, basically it's a normal human v aquaman and Slade still came out on top.



Superman's blasts move at light speed, the Flash himself probably couldn't have dodged it. But, Slade's reflexes were fast enough to notice the blast before it hit him.



He can and has many, many times. He can blitz a normal human close up as if they were standing still.


That's news to his creator and 99% of his non-batman feats. He has a decent amount of superspeed, his creator said "He can hang with Flash for the first few steps."

He has superspeed.
[/QUOTE] Good reply LP and very true.
Slade doesn't really possess super speed like in terms of Flash or even Quicksilver but in terms of Spiderman. Amazing reaction time and pretty decent running speed as people note its due to his quickness and reflexes he can keep up with the Flashes for a couple of steps but no one suggests he can outrun. But Slade is does have some kind of Superspeed just not as high as what people normally think of when it comes to speedsters.


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The reason Nightwing can do that beside being a total beast is that he knows how Slade thinks and fights better than anyone.This is a case of someone using Slade's best asset(planning and knowledge) against him.You gotta remember he grew up fighting Slade.

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Good reply LP and very true.
Slade doesn't really possess super speed like in terms of Flash or even Quicksilver but in terms of Spiderman. Amazing reaction time and pretty decent running speed as people note its due to his quickness and reflexes he can keep up with the Flashes for a couple of steps but no one suggests he can outrun. But Slade is does have some kind of Superspeed just not as high as what people normally think of when it comes to speedsters. [/B]


Uh, Superspeed is a constant running speed. Slade has enhanced reflexes. Bit of a difference. wink


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Uh, Superspeed is a constant running speed. Slade has enhanced reflexes. Bit of a difference. wink
Yes but what I'm saying is was able to chase down a speedster before Impluse I think it was.
This means he does have some degrees of Superspeed in terms of consant running just not as high as what people would normally associate with a speedster like quicksilver. wink


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Yes but what I'm saying is was able to chase down a speedster before Impluse I think it was.
This means he does have some degrees of Superspeed in terms of consant running just not as high as what people would normally associate with a speedster like quicksilver. wink


Meaning that he's enhanced. He doesn't have superspeed. He's quicker than the average person. He's been enhanced, but he's no speedster by any way, shape, or form.


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I already broke down this thread in versus thread a while back, when someone tried to use this as proof of something, most all of those are taken out of context....Looks like Long Pig covered it in this thread though... I'm surprised this is still surfacing.


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Meaning that he's enhanced. He doesn't have Super-speed. He's quicker than the average person. He's been enhanced, but he's no speedster by any way, shape, or form.
What is the meaning of Super-speed the ability to run faster than a normal person which Slade has done and he has caught a speedster before.
What I'm saying is he doesn't possess Super-speed in terms of quicksilver and flash where every move they make is shown as being a blur. Slade can run fast just not the blurring speed other more known speedsters do.
Just how you have low tier super strength Slade possesses low tier Super-speed see what I'm trying to say wink


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