I'd rather find an explenation to Snake surviving, or the last games are based during those six months. The story is about Snake, giving Raiden the main part for the rest and tossing Snake away would not be good IMO.
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I see your point. However Snake did talk about passing the torch at the end of MGS2. His war was not over then, but I believe he might pass the torch after this last adventure. From a story-telling standpoint passing the torch to Raiden is the most logical step. Kojima has stated this game would be the end of Metal Gear Solid. That doesn't mean we won't see new games based on the world of Metal Gear. Of all the soldiers in MGS fiction I'd like to see Snake dying at peace and not in the middle of a war/sealth mission #157. He deserves to rest. He has earned it more than anyone else. The perfect way for it go would be to have Snake fake his own death at the end of his mission and then spend his last months enjoying life to the fullest with Naomi, Meryl, Mei Ling and Rose in one massive non-stop orgy. Afterwards he can continue raising dog sleds and having those cigars like his old man back in the 60s.
PS - Besides Snake is already babbling and rambling like old people in this game. Can you imagine him whinning during his last month? Oh man.
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Yeah I just saw the "Metal Gear Raiden: Snake Eraser" video from MGS 3 Subsistence, where Rose tells Raiden "you can be the hero in another game". Then he answered "but MGS 4......."........ "There ill be a 5 won't there".....
It may be a joke but I don't know, and Solid stands for the graphic as said earlier, not for Snake so I bet the series could continue under that name.
Agree completly, Snake should not die in a war, but it would make a touchy/sad ending if he died like a dog, after all he has done....... I hope it gets the best ending a MG game have ever had, and I'm pretty sure it will...
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Yes, I know solid stands for 3d and all of that, but Kojima has mentioned many times how he wished to end the Metal Gear Solid series. It's just us(the fans) that won't let him rest. I also believe deep down inside he is in denial. Chances are he will direct or produce other games based on MG IF he doesn't change his mind and makes yet another MGS.
Agreed. I believe Snake will have the best ending we've seen so far in the MGS universe; taking into consideration how amazing was Snake Eater's I just can't wait.
Well, seeing as The Boss died as a "traitor", as did Big Boss, it could be a sign of things to come for Snake.
Snake doesn't NEED a heroic death to be a hero. Just like The Boss and Big Boss didn't before him. The player understands what sort of person they really are, and due to the tragic nature of many of the MGS characters, I can see Snake going out as a "traitorous terrorist" when the only people that know he was a hero would be the player, adding even more tragedy to the character.
Solid Snake could be public enemy number one at the end of the game, with his friends turning against him because he ends up in a shitty situation where he HAS to die as a "villain" to save the day. Maybe he'll bring his friends down with him. Maybe Big Boss will return and Snake will join him?
I reckon Snake will be fighting on the "wrong side" in order to save the day. Kinda like Jack Bauer in 24 has to. Imagine if he has to kill someone major in order to save the world? Like Jack had to kill Ryan Chapelle in order to save the world, what if Snake has to kill Otacon, the colonel, or even Meryl to do the same?
I cannot wait.
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Why would he? He always talks about the future and he would never turn, that much is clear. If he would do it to save the day...... Well I don't think he would come in such a situation. His objective is to kill Liquid/Ocelot, not join them. I don't think such a situation comes. Also, Snake got the recessive genes, apparently, he does not have the same means of thinking as Big Boss, he shrugs at the thought of Outer Heaven. But all this is of course my opinion so no one needs to say anything about it, but if Snake turns I would call that lame, if Big Boss comes back I'll poke my eyes out...
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Did I say his character would be betrayed by doing so? I never said Snake would betray HIMSELF. He'd still be the "good" Snake, but fighting on the wrong side for the greater good. It happens.
You can have a character fight on the "wrong side" and still have them as a character doing a greater good, still a "good guy". Snake is always put into shit situations, and this being the penultimate Solid Snake story, having him fighting both his friends and the villains would also make it more interesting.
We find out The Boss in Metal Gear Solid 3 was really a hero, not a villain, not a traitor, but she went down in history as a terrorist and a traitor, because her mission REQUIRED her to do that. Same could happen to Snake.
In order to defeat the bad guys, he may end up having to join them. Kojima is well capable of doing the character justice. You should know Metal Gear always makes the characters and villains likable and tragic, Snake could end up being the most tragic of the lot.
Kojima has also spent the last couple of Metal Gear games blurring the line between good and evil, especially with Metal Gear Solid 3.
Snake always gets the job done. His mission may involve dying as a traitor, despite the fact he is truly a hero and a patriot. It's called "Guns Of The Patriots" which indicates there's something to do with the lineage of The Boss and Big Boss in there somewhere. Metal Gear Solid 3 was likely more than just a prequel, it was also a sign of things to come.
If you think Snakes just gonna kick everyones ass and then die in some Hollywood ending as the big hero, you obviously don't know anything about Metal Gear.
I wish people could read and open their minds a bit FFS.
First I never said you said Snake would betray himself. I said Kojima would be ignoring his character's personality. But it doesn't really matter to me since it's his and he can do whatever he pleases with it.
I wish people weren't so quick to jump the gun when someone says something that disagrees with their point of view.
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I just don't get why Snake would change sides? Mabey he will for some strange reason, but he already has a mission, and Liquid/Ocelot would never join Snake, and vice versa. Sure, it's a possibility though...
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Wasn't really jumping the gun, what I said still applies. I was just saying it'd be cool to play as a good guy, but on the wrong side. Snake'd get put into a situation where he has to kill his friends, or have the deaths of millions on his conscious. That'd be a sweet little twist and seeing as Kojima loves to put Snake in the shittiest conditions possible, it's entirely plausable.
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May 17th, 2006 08:58 PM
i remember that from MGS1. hillarious you mentioned that 
