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NinthCorona
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Err... difference to what?


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In crime rates. There are ups and downs in various area but in general, crime rates between these countries are very similar and comparable.

All except the US gun crime rate, which goes so far off the scale you actually need to switch to a different graph scale to track it. It is obviously and amazingly out of proportion.


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Hmmmm not sure, possibly we are a melting pot of many different nationalities and beliefs that get in the way and discriminations which leads to poverty and drug use...

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Like I mentioned above, we all have our ethnic and gang-related issues. That drug crime is not always related to gun crime has also been mentioned, and besides which we all have our huge drug crime issues anyway.

Besides which, if your ethnic and gang problems were enough to make gun crime THAT much worse, it would also make all violent crime that much worse, yes? Which it doesn't. Those rates are steady. In some places, actively lower in the US than elsewhere.


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People in the US will never give up their guns. It's part of the constitution, and they will fight for that constitution with guns if they have too.......lol.........It's part of our history....I don't believe banning them would help in this country....If the criminals want them, they will still get them. Most here view other countries that have banned guns as tragic! The Militia would of been able to do nothing if not for guns. These were only farmers and towns folk during the Revolutionary War....I believe there is a fear that if guns were banned and some foreign enemy were to take over, we would not be able to defend ourselves at the grass roots level........I don't think this answers your questions, but this is my view...

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People in the US will never give up their guns. It's part of the constitution, and they will fight for that constitution with guns if they have too.......lol.........It's part of our history....I don't believe banning them would help in this country....If the criminals want them, they will still get them. Most here view other countries that have banned guns as tragic! The Militia would of been able to do nothing if not for guns. These were only farmers and towns folk during the Revolutionary War....I believe there is a fear that if guns were banned and some foreign enemy were to take over, we would not be able to defend ourselves at the grass roots level........I don't think this answers your questions, but this is my view...


It's not impossible to get a gun here...but it certainly is much harder than in the US..and well...if you meet someone dangerous here you have really, really good chances he won't own a gun.


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I am very interested in this idea that the Revolution needed to be legal to be possible.

Sorry, did I say interested? I meant 'hysterical at'.

Whatever fairytale ideas exist of you people needing guns to defend themselves is no excuse or justifcation for the mass murder that is your gun crime rate.

I am not saying, ban guns and the gun crime will suddenly disappear. it is much more complex than that, and much of the damage is done already.

But there are so many people dying, that the issue MUST be addressed, and it has to be addressed at the level of the menatlity of guns you speak of. And the most important weapon to start to erode that mentatlity is anti-gun legislation.


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That is not drug crimes though, that is stealing and robbing.

How would driving through such a neighbourhood be dangerous if....they wouldn't have guns?


Well if that is the answer, thank God we don't. I personally enjoy living.


So it's not his addiction to the drug that caused him to desire another fix enough to steal...so it's unrelated to drugs? Not exactly

How wouldnt they have guns? They get their guns illegally, ITS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO HAVE GUNS AND THEY HAVE THEM ANYWAY. what arent you understanding!?


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UK police didn't carry guns long before the gun ban came in.

The gun ban didn't apply to police. They simply don't carry them by policy.

So that link is ridiculous.

So meanwhile, does anyone want to address the important issue? WHY does America have such a ludicrous gun crime rate?

I mean, do you actiually want us to think it is because you are all more psychotic by nature? And if that were so, why aren't your knife crime rates any higher?

Again, the ONLY difference of note is the gun crime rate!


America has such ludicris gun crime rate because people are afraid and rased as such. They're also ignorant on how to properly handle guns. America has more violence than any other country period; gun related non-gun related or otherwise.

The real question is, why is that? Some people can have a gun on them their entire lifetime and never use it. The gun isn't the cause of killing people, it's the retard behind the trigger. More smart people = less gun crime AND less accidents related to guns.


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Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
So it's not his addiction to the drug that caused him to desire another fix enough to steal...so it's unrelated to drugs? Not exactly

How wouldnt they have guns? They get their guns illegally, ITS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO HAVE GUNS AND THEY HAVE THEM ANYWAY. what arent you understanding!?


Yeah, drug related....not drug crimes.....if you were talking about drug related crimes...well, that's just stupid since a lot of gun related crimes are also related to drugs...so, what the hell is your nonexistent point?

Yeah, you keep repeating that, point is, in other countries where the guns are not as easily to get gun deaths are lower....

A gun ban won't under no circumstances increase the crime rate...


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America has such ludicris gun crime rate because people are afraid and rased as such. They're also ignorant on how to properly handle guns. America has more violence than any other country period; gun related non-gun related or otherwise.

The real question is, why is that? Some people can have a gun on them their entire lifetime and never use it. The gun isn't the cause of killing people, it's the retard behind the trigger. More smart people = less gun crime AND less accidents related to guns.


Again, how does this 'fear' thing promote a rise in gun crime ONLY? Why not knife crime, or good old fashioned fist crime? Don't try and make out they are higher as well. They ain't. And even if they were- 300 times higher? Doubt they would ever make that.

Meanwhile, is your implication that Americans are more likely to be stupid?


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Meanwhile, is your implication that Americans are more likely to be stupid?


Yes, and to be honest I support that. I'm growing up with the next generation of American Idiots. (No pun intended)


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Again, how does this 'fear' thing promote a rise in gun crime ONLY? Why not knife crime, or good old fashioned fist crime? Don't try and make out they are higher as well. They ain't. And even if they were- 300 times higher? Doubt they would ever make that.

Meanwhile, is your implication that Americans are more likely to be stupid?


All crime is high in America. What the hell is your point? We're a violent nation, probably the most violent first world country.

And gun crime is highest because instead of injuring someone so they can come back and kick your ass, guns kill. Why risk getting beat when its so easy to get an illegal gun and just finish off whoever you're fighting with? And that's fear, if it wasnt clear enough.

Some people need to spend a few nights in an American urban ghetto.

and yes, Americans are more likely to be stupid. we voted bush in, twice, after all.


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Meanwhile, is your implication that Americans are more likely to be stupid?
Well umm...yes! Live here awhile and you'll find out...

You can't blame an object for a problem. It's the people who handle them. The same could be used with any object....Gee at one time Books were evil, and people burned them because of fear along with people who owned persecuted....I know that's different, but still.....you can't blame an object.

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Well umm...yes! Live here awhile and you'll find out...

You can't blame an object for a problem. It's the people who handle them. The same could be used with any object....Gee at one time Books were evil, and people burned them because of fear along with people who owned persecuted....I know that's different, but still.....you can't blame an object.


Wow...this example is proof that Americans are stupid....


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Wow...this example is proof that Americans are stupid....


Why? Because she's right? Only an idiot thinks that an inanimate object is the cause of anything, instead of the stupid people who handle them.


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Why? Because she's right? Only an idiot thinks that an inanimate object is the cause of anything, instead of the stupid people who handle them.


I'd say that guns certainly are a big part of the reason why there is gun death.....maybe I'm stupid because of it, but I stick with it.


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I like that ol' saying about 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'. It's a lovely load of absolute nonsense.

'ice doesn't make things cold, people make things cold'

'running doesn't make you tired, legs make you tired'

etc...


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I like that ol' saying about 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'. It's a lovely load of absolute nonsense.


And how do people kill people, hmmm? Guns? knives?

Think about your statement.


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'By bullets entering the body and causing irreparable damage' is the general understanding of how guns facilitate killing.


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'By bullets entering the body and causing irreparable damage' is the general understanding of how guns facilitate killing.


Obviously so, but in order to eject that bullet what must first happen?


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