When Yoda talked to Obi-Wan about this (this is cut out from the movie, but I still see it as cannon), he said that Obi-Wan under the training of Qui-Gon could learn how to keep his conciousness when he transforms into the Force and "maybe" his physical self. And that is the reason why Qui-Gon probably didn't have his physical self when he transformed into the Force, cause there is no certainty you would get it. Maybe strength indeed has something to do with it. In the database it says that Anakin did indeed return with the help of Obi-Wan and Yoda. I guess it takes more time to learn it by yourself than with the help of others.
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The reason Anakin is still young as a ghost, is because this can only be accomplished by compassion. Anakin died as a Jedi in ep III, he is reborn as Darth Vader and died as Darth Vader. So Anakin's soul comes back young cause like I said he died young.
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yeah Qui-Gon said that it was a technique that could only be performed by compassion not greed, that is why no Sith can do it. And I'm not sure if the death of Anakin is completely symbolic. As religious people, the Jedi are Anakin's spirit dies. There is only Darth Vader.
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There are still some things I don't understand aboot that so called "ghost trick" for one, do you need to be dead to achieve the state. Second when does ones body fate? How did Qui Gon Jinn do it anyways, I mean he was dead already, wasn't he. Vader is of course a good question. It doesn't all fit I believe.
one thing about Qui-Gon, why he didn't dissapear is simple...that is because he only discovered the secret while he already joined the Force...but the others knew the secret before they died and they dissapeared to keep their physical self. Darth Vader didn't dissapear either because he didn't know how to keep his physical self but he did return and kept his, thx to the help of Yoda and Obi-Wan when he joined the Force.
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qui gon showed em all how to do it then hit queeqs and has been there ever since invisible drinking everyones drinks when they arent looking....I wanna be just like him when I go...lol
Why didn't they help Qui-Gon? Simple, Qui-Gon couldn't do anything anymore. All hope was in Luke and Leia. And it was the living Obi-Wan who would take care of Luke. Since he died later he was the only one who had a connection with Luke, Qui-Gon hadn't...so why disturb him?
He's dead, let him sleep in peace in the leaving Force. He's done all he can. lol
That is also why you don't see Qui-Gon appear in the end of ROTJ, Luke had no connection with him, he only saw the ones he had a connection with. The whole Jedi council could have apeared lol and they would be standing there like monkeys saying "what are we doing here???" and Luke would be thinking "Who are those guys!".
Gets the point?
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