Even if it required moving all in the frame before humans could process a visual input, that would be 1/60th of a second, and you would still need to calculate distance. Just saying it's 60 times faster (and then multiplying by 60 again when he did it again) is completely ridiculous.
And how does this demonstrate a linear increase in speed? Of course characters with higher power levels are stronger and faster. But there's no way to know how much faster, except by measuring it. And when it can be measured, it disagrees with the power levels. They are not a linear scale.
So when Goten and Trunks (both SSJ1) rushed off as fast as they could to find out what was going on with Buu, the entire fight with Pui Pui, Yakon, Dabura, and Majin Vegeta had happened already and Buu had been released. How many examples do you need?
Which is non - canon.
Mystic Gohan (who is stronger than Goku) is rushing at full speed to fight Buu. Picollo, Trunks, and Goten have time to have a conversation before he gets there.
Yes. Because it has [b]demonstrated itself to be so. Unlike any character in DBZ.
You want another example?
Super Buu with Gohan absorbed took 3 or 4 pages to reach Goku and Vegeta's location after Vegeta came back to earth and Goku IT'd to his position. They had time to have a whole conversation where Goku convinced Vegeta to fuse with him during this time.
So your claim is that it is longer without any actual evidence to back it up. Sorry, I'm going by what's in the manga, not bullshit speculation.
No one in DBZ was ever in 500 times earth gravity.
I know that.
A black hole can have any mass. You just pulled another number out of your ass.
Another lie. When did this ever happen? The highest gravity anyone was ever in in DBZ was Vegeta when he trained in 450 times gravity.
More lies. Where do you get the 50 times multiplier from? What is your evidence each SSJ state increases physical strength by 50? Physical strength does not increase proportionately with speed and energy powers in DBZ. Their strength feats are nowhere near what your numbers suggest. When Vegeta hit the punching machine (not holding back) he only knocked it a few meters away.
You just made up that number again. You have no evidence of how much stronger he got.
Which is completely unsupported by any canon information whatsoever.
40 tons weight training and Goku is moving at high speed with it in his SSJ1 form, still 2 more levels up to go. and this is before he recover from his fight against Vegeta.
I reapeat end of Manga Goku is another diferent oponent for Superman. [/QUOTE]
So then you irrationally multiply things by 60 instead of using the distance and dividing by 1/60th of a second, even that method is inaccurate due to the tricks the human eye can play on people.
That is not the end of the manga, that is pre Buu Saga, or Saiyaman Saga.
Before Goku Vs Vegeta.
Before Goku vs Kid Buu
and 10 years later
Goku normal without powering up vs Buu Reincarnation.
Do you get it or is too much for you?
Fiction and reality donīt apply, you try to be smarter than me saying that i donīt know phisics, what phisic you can aply with Plastic Man? or Flash speed Force? this is all fantasy.
Who was a little kid who didn't even know he had superpowers and couldn't even fly and didn't even know how to fight. You honestly think in that situation he was as powerful as Kid Buu?
Right, we can't apply physics, that's why you're trying to pass off a bunch of bullshit calculations that include the speed of bullets, mass of the earth, etc.
Yes to move out of a person view.. But you forget they are in a ring. Goku move back and forward over and over again like a flickering light to making himself invisable. You could call it vibrating... 60x faster is 60x faster how else can you put it... bet your going to call maths the devils work just like the other supes fans.
You cant just ignor the correlation between powerlevel and speed/power just because you want absolute solid proof.
You supes fan like to use talking and normal things to show that the fight was slow.
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
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Show me proof...
Look at the one up there ^
You claim it shorter on pure speclation... Mine makes more sense over your wishful thinking.
Basically, all your arguments boil down to is "I think Goku should be this powerful, and here is some math I made up to prove it (filled with arbitrary assumptions)". When the actual evidence in the manga contradicts you.
As for our side, we actually have feats of Superman doing things to prove how powerful he is, instead of just speculation about how powerful we think he is.
Ok if you donīt get that Goku training 10 years after ask for Buu to come back reincarnate.
you are not being objective, you just want to win.
If you read the manga Goku call Ubbīs mother a poppy pants or something and then kick him and the kick go berseck, showing his power in the last moment and Goku normal form fighting with him.
The very end when Goku ask Ubb to be trained, and Ubb say yes, Goku say i being waiting for this all this time, and know whe get even stronger, that means no roof for Goku getting stronger.
I can use all canon trainings of Goku getting more powerfull without numbers. 10 years of training is a lot of time for him to grow, read the whole manga.
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