Well you have to realy otherwise you could use things about Superman from TV shows aswell. And shaking a planet so far away from earth is a bit misleading wouldn't you say.
yes.. yes they can... hell low level DBZers can move faster than light and react to light speed attacks.. how do I know?
simple.. piccolo blew up the moon in 2 seconds... light takes around 1.4 seconds to reach earth from the moon... 1.4... piccolo's special beam cannon was ALMOST as fast as light in the beginning of DBZ.. radditz is a warrior who EASILY sidestepped it....
now.. because goku PROVED that speed, power, and durability, were ALL relative to heightened power levels when he first began using KIOKEN, it can easily be guesstimated that IF radditz a warrior at a PL of 1200 could sidestep an attack that was moving half the speed of light than a warrior with a PL of circa 3000 could sidestep an attack that was lightspeed.. and a warrior with a PL of 6000 could sidestep an attack 2 times the speed of light and so on and so forth... well the power levels in dbz go up into the hundreds of millions.. they EASILY surpassed light speed attacks... Ki blasts get stronger more powerful and faster with the fighter so saying them not dodging every ki attack means they can't is a worthless argument because ki attacks are not limited to the speed of light.. they're limited to the speed of the fighter.
again.. your logic works against you.. listen.. supes and doomsday both fight at a ridiculously fast pace. booster gold as alluded that DD moves faster than flash and superman has stated that he has a hard time keeping up with DD.. YET tons of people watched them fight.. how could they if superman can fight as fast as you HOPE he can?
see how that logic is contradictory.. the fact is the fight watching thing is just a story telling device used to show that the world has a stake in the outcom of the fight... that the fight itself is important..
as for IT.. yeah akira already admitted this... he said he wrote himself into a neverending plot-hole by making DBZers so damned powerful.. but it was the story that was important to him not the plotholes...
rather strange statistic considering the fact that we've only seen a handful of planets blow up in DBZ where did you pull that from? your ass?...
lol.. piccolo BLEW UP THE MOON at a pl of 1200.. again.. power levels are all relative.. so a character of 2400 could blow up 2 moons etc etc... moons have no core so that theories out the window. it was purely piccolo's ki doing the damage.
when you get into the powerlevels towards the end of the frieza saga blowing up planets is a trifle... frieza did it with the tip of his index finger.. and he was at less than 1% of his power.. there was no hitting of the core involved.. he just blew the ****er up.
superman has BARELY been able to pull pluto and he had green lantern's and wonderwoman's help... AND he was suped up... AND the black hole feat stopped being useable the instant that DC acknolwedged that black holes in the DCU don't operate the same as the one's we're familiar with.
that said.. who cares?
superman can't blow up the planet instantly.. DBZ characters can.. the end.
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misinterpreting.. I'm saying he keeps out-skilling villains in hand to hand combat which is when they have to resort to trying to blow the crap out of him.
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again entertainment and storytelling vs. real world science.
like it SHOULD be for superman?
like they should be when superman fights?
then why does clark kent take the bus?
but dbz fighters don't?
yup your hypocracy is outstanding...
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Last edited by jinzin on Jul 16th, 2006 at 11:18 AM
All true, and how do we know Goku can't move planets? he has never actuly tried, and the only time a Chi blast is used to detonate the core of a planet is on namek where Freeza holds back to much power when blowing it up, other than that the planets were just engulfed.
So Superman wins basically. The DBZ support go by speculation and what they wish the DBZ characters can do, while Supes can and has done the feats.
1. DBZ characters aren't light speed, even Goku at the end wasn't close to that without IT. Supes has shown plenty of times being able to move faster then light, even his brain move at far faster speed then theirs.
2. DBZ characters never survived planet destroying blasts, every time Goku was faced with that, he either deflected it away or die from it (Cell). Supes has survived supernovas, wormholes, black holes, blasts from a GL rings (that are also capable of destroying planets), he's been hit by his own weaknesses like Kryptonite and redsunlight countless of times along with other types of energy blasts and was still fighting; all which are greater then the destruction of a planet. It doesn't take the destruction of the planet to really hurt a DBZ character either, they got badly hurt by physical attacks (not close to Supes in comparison) and moutain or nuking explosions; not planet destroying.
3. They can't breath in space, Supes can. So if the planet is destroyed, he'll still be alive, they won't (except for the androids and aliens).
4. None of them are physically on par with Supes. Supes can push planets (and destroy them with physical force) and even lift moutains even back in his bryne days, ssj2 Goku (at the end of the seires) struggled to push two hills apart and if we use ssj4, he struggled to push a building back in place.
5. Supes have far more stamina. Supes is able to fight for weeks, Goku at ssj3 could barely fight a few minutes. They have to build up allot of energy to fight, they have to be careful in using their energy blasts also, which takes away alot of stamina (they can't continously use energy blasts) Supes doesn't have to worry about that.
6. Supes attacks are fast and deadly towards them if he's bloodlusted. He can lobotimize them, just stand over them melting them with Heat Vision, he could use Ice Breath then use the previous methods, Supes could suck all the energy or air out of any of them (Superman's lungs are very strong, he was able to suck all types of energy and chemical gases, he even absorbed the Meggadon War head which can destroy half a galaxy) or use T-vo.
All that said, Supes can win the match easily if he goes all out.
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Last edited by dvampire on Jul 16th, 2006 at 05:48 PM
No what it means is that Raditz can move slighly to the side in the time it takes Piccolo to charge and fire the beam. It does not mean he has light speed reflexes. Thats like saying Batman has super sonic reflexes because he can dodge a bullet.
And yet Cell was so very shocked when Goku charged up a Kamehameha with enough power to destroy the planet. Showing despite having a powerlevel millions of time higher than first form freeza his average attack wasn't planet destroying.
Also Freeza's blast is a core destroyer. It tunnels inthe core and blows it up. There isn't an instant explosion. Also recent scientific research shows the moon does have a core.
Well now it's obvious your just making stuff up. When Superman pushed war world he was on his own, but powered up. It was resisting him with boosters that are capable of propelling it to faster than light speeds. While War world itself was supercharged by Imperiex a being who had devoured mutiple galaxies. No thats not a feat at all.
I'd like proof of the Black hole comment.
Maybe because he's struggled pushing a small hill in half. Or the whole 40 tons debacle. Also one of the few times canon times a planet was destroyed in DBZ by anyone other than Kid Buu.
The one thing with piccolo is, that Goku distracted raddiz and Piccolo shot it..So Raddiz was not even expecting it, and he still dodges it. Next thing is that cell was suprised goku charged up the Kamehameha to destory the planet 7612764873 times over is because he didn't think goku would kill his own planet that he is protecting, not the fact that it was strong!!!, just that he didn't think goku would kill his friends and the planet to hurt cell...yeah..
once again I would like to point out how it is impossible to convince a superman fanboy that superman loses any fight they just won't believe any of the feats of the other guy. Piccolo said that Raditz was faster then light. Also there is no signs what so ever that Raditz moved before the attack was used. Also where does it say in the comic that war world was using its boosters at full strength to resist him? Besides the Frizza case that was at the end of the Frizza saga was their really any other time someone attacked the core to destroy a planet? That was only used so that the fight could last longer. Face it people DBZ and DBGT characters are just overwhelmingly powerfull to the point where it is just ridicules. I like superman more but he can't win this no matter how many people want him too he's just out of his league.
Superman holds back most of his power MOST of the time and wins.
How many times has Goku lost? Beaten to an inch of his life? Died? Many times
When they show planets getting destroyed they are only hitting the core. Never have any DBZ character ever hit a planet with a blast so big the planet an those around it are utter destroyed instantly, ever. There is a VERY big difference in power require to do that. When they talk of Brolly destroying a galaxy that doesnt mean he did it with a single blast, he went planet by planet destroying them, the same with buu an so on.
Destroy a solar system like Cell claimed he could do? All they gotta do is take out the sun, much less power required to just take out the sun rather than hit the solar system with a blast that wipes out all the planets at once.
Speed its the same story there is a VERY big difference between faster than the eye can see, the speed of sound an the speed of light.
sound is like 800 mph? thats like 13 miles per second
light is 187000 miles per SECOND
Big ass gap between 800 mph an the speed of light. If you were moving at the speed of sound you would seem impossibly fast an be very hard to see an you would be a blur, anywhere near fast as light? Hell no!
No DBZ character has ever moved anywhere in the same ballpark as the speed of light, period. Goku's I.T. can only be used to move great distances quickly not fight with that kind of speed. Meaning superman could deliver a punch at the speed of light, Goku's I.T. would not be able to do the same thing.
Well Goku gets beaten to an inch of his life because the people he is facing are at his level...Supes holds back whiole fighting a guy in a robot suit, Monkies, Lex luthor(Why should supes go all out) Supes goe sall out when he fights people his power and gets beaten to an inch too..... Oh and Goku beat Nappa like he was a piece of garbage,The ginyu force didn't even touch him once(Outside of Captain Ginyu). < He doesn'tr always get beaten to an inch...if you even manage to touch goku.
How many times do I have to say this, Super Saiyan 2 goku moving that mountain was filler, as in it didn't happen (not that any of DBZ actuly happend but I digress).
Also the 40 ton thing, Goku clearly said "This is easy" so we have no idea how much Goku could lift after he became a super saiyan, let alone a super saiyan 3.
And what are you talking about the blowing up of planets I can't understand what you just said.
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Jul 16th, 2006 11:02 AM
"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
yup your hypocracy is outstanding... 
