Zoom specifically says that Superman's speed rivals his own.
Not, 'in that instant just now, your speed rivalled my own', or 'you too can match me when I travel at 200mph'.
His speed rivals Zoom's. If someone said Hulk's strength rivalled the Beyonder's you'd be jizzing all over it. I am merely presenting a scan that is pertinent to the discussion.
No, I wouldn't be a over it. When was the last time I posted Hulk showing against In Betweener? Let me answer that, I rarely if ever post it as a measurement for Hulk strength. Or how about Hulk speed showing against Jack Of Hearts (who has flown with Surfer, etc...) saying he has never seen speed on the level of Hulks.
That's Thawne who was blitzing Barry, Wally and entire Flash family at once. Time Masters: Vanishing Point. Totally canon.
And yet, Bizarro matched Zoom in speed.
Anyway, Clark's perceptions are uber enough to track Speedsters, and his reaction speeds are fast enough to tag them in certain situations. Even Morrison had Supes perceiving Wally+Barry when they were traveling FTL: (please log in to view the image)
However, Johns showed us where Clark stacks up next to the upper-echelon Speedsters in a no-holds-barred setting: (please log in to view the image)
So meh...
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It was never stated that Barry being contaminated by the NSF made him faster, iirc--just that it made him more deadly to those around him. He had essentially become the Black Flash, after all, so the slightest touch from him resulted in insta-death.
Not to mention it took him about oh..a dozen hits to beat the Silver Surfer to death. Which no, Superman couldn't take Surfer out in a dozen hits.
With that said..if speed is still on then Superman could more or less avoid the punches of Thanos indefinitely. Thanos wouldn't have telepathy, AoE attacks, and all his other shit to fall back on to counter the speed.
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Uh, you can see the black tendrils of the NSF which were surrounding Barry.
And those were dead fuel cells which were eating through speed force users and transferring their power to Barry. That's why his touch was lethal to any Speedster.
If he had burned out NSF, he wouldn't have ended up in NSF trying to get into speed force.
Are you sure he was amping? Since I'd thought Thanos had a habit of manhandling multiple Class 100's at once, similar to Despero. Perhaps he has always been energy amping to perform those feats.
As for why Superman couldn't ko Surfer that quick..well, if I answered that question this would just turn into Supes vs Surfer.
Though you could at least agree Thanos would be much harder to harm then Surfer, yes?
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i remember reading it thinking that while he may have had the nsf, it was really just making up for what he losing in the real sf so i never had the impression he was doing anything he couldn't have done otherwise....
you can see the little black bursts of the nsf in the lightning surrounding him, look closely at his lightning in the first scan on the second panel my man.
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