She is neither the creator nor the destroyer any universe. Haven't seen her destroy one or create one.
I never said she controlled them. She starts the big bang but that doesn't mean she's more powerful than Eternity or other abstracts. A universe die and a new universe is formed when a big bang happens, Phoenix sparks that process. By no means does she control a big bang.
As for other times, which ones are you talking about? If it's the Infinity Being, I'm not sure if that's the same as TOAA himself.
The are natural big bangs and unnatural ones created by characters like Reed.
I've read most of it. The IG is above the Phoenix Force, there's no doubt about that.
Here's my hierarchy:
1. TOAA
2. The Living Tribunal
3. The Infinity Gauntlet
4. UN
5. Abraxas
6. Multiverse Eternity
7. Eternity (616)/Death/Infinity/Entropy/Oblivion/Phoenix Force
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Well I'm a straight shooter, and this isn't a hate the Phoenix thread, so we should speak fairly.
Phoenix can re-create a Universe, she did warp 616.
Phoenix can NOT create a Universe, which is to make a Universe from nothing.
On panel proof tells us she can atleast destroy a Universe...an Eternity(single Universe)
Phoenix repaired the Mkraan Crystal...which had the power to destroy A Universe
That's what I'm saying though...Phoenix does not even spark that process up, not across the Multiverse, in A Single Universe she's the spark. It may be the X-universe.
I feel about the same, but I put THOU above the Living Tribunal...and I put Multi-Death above THOU...then the TOAA.
I dont think GS has any way to come back all his arguments have been countered and i believe he is now KO. The next logical move for him to make is either run away or create a new name thats if he doesnt already have a second name. Mr M you have won this battle and opened a lot of eyes to the truth but in doing so you have gained an enemy lol watch your back.
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I did this already but...just in case anyone missed it.
:The Korvac vs Living Tribunal event:
This ought to settle the Korvac and Living Tribunal dispute once and for all.
What was it that really happened?
How powerful was Korvac?
How did he become so powerful?
Was he more powerful than LT?
If LT attacked him, how did he survive?
These questions will ALL be answered now, and yes, ya know me, with ON PANEL proof as always.
Ok, after thoroughly researching the issue I found out several interesting facts.
To begin with What if's suck.
I will prove myself.
Secondly Korvac was not the mastermind of this issue, machinations far beyond even his scope were at work in helping him survive LT's assault, this is the big moment of surprise and disappointment for all who thought Korvac was more powerful than LT.
Let's do it.
First ALL the positive showings of the issue, then I'll post the rediculousness of a What if comic.
First:
Korvac Absorbs ALL the power of these SIX cosmics, he had already absorbed Galactus's world ship, that gave him instant near-omnipotent power. (please log in to view the image)
Korvac absorbs Galactus's world ship. (please log in to view the image)
Korvac seals off his universe (please log in to view the image)
LT penetrates Korvacs barrier to blow up the sun in this universe. (please log in to view the image)
LT vaporizes a quarter of that solar system and Korvac survives, LT caught by surprise by this, decides to leave this universe and seal Korvac in it. (please log in to view the image)
It would seem from that last scan that LT couldn't handle Korvac, so he fled, sealed the universe behind him and left that universe to wahtever fate awaited it.
The Surprise:
It was Death that protected Korvac from LT, from annihilation, how? Death simply didn't permit Korvac to die. How? It's Death, just like Thanos isn't fazed by mortality because of Death, so she did the same for Korvac. (please log in to view the image)
Death was Korvac's unbidden ally-Death was Korvac's unwanted master.
Death manipulated all this, no wonder Korvac survived LT's punishment, Death who is the master of mortality and immortality, did not allow Korvac to die along with the earth, because Death wanted to kill Eternity and Death knew it could get Korvac to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Eternity, this was Death's plan all along. Apparently even Death was unable to help Korvac withstand the UN though. (please log in to view the image)
courtesy of Mr Master
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Now the reasons why we shouldn't use What If's in debates even if it includes LT:
Korvac with ALL his power, can't read a Celestial mind, (please log in to view the image)
Korvac CANNOT resurrect just anyone, only someone he kills. Yet he's "omnipotent", LOL. (please log in to view the image)
Korvac fears an Armada of beings that are coming to battle him from all over this universe, but he can kill and absorb some of the most powerful beings in the universe. This is crap, with all his power he should be able to wipe this army out of existence. (please log in to view the image)
Korvac absorbs every being on this earth to battle this armada. He becomes so powerful he can sit on planet earth, like if it's a workout ball, but he's still going to rely on the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy this armada along with the universe. (please log in to view the image)
Watcher breaks through Korvac's barrier like nothing, and this is after he absorbed every being on earth, even the visiting Celestials. (please log in to view the image)
Korvac needs Ultimate Nullifier to destroy armada, nonsense, but it's a What If, so why complain. (please log in to view the image)
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