No what he is saying is it is up to us the debators to get the judges to think that they are legal KVD least that is what I think I could be wrong I don't want to put words in Digi's mouth.
But your post could count if you argue well enough you can do everything you said same thing for me and B-Dubs prep post
Before I get to my post, let me just clear something up for anyone reading this, who might just glaze over this point otherwise. The only thing either team is allowed to do during prep is plan, and form shields. This means no summoning spirits, granting super powers, speeding up your brains, making these supposed independent constructs, etc. Digi himself -the man running this tourney- has said this several times.
He's biosynthetic, that doesn't mean that he can't interact with normal machines, including reading info off a disc. The fact is, he's demonstrably immune to both telepathy and hacking attempts.
That Amazo demonstrated nothing in your scans but heatvision and superspeed. And, no matter how powerful, he was STILL just a machine. Spartan is not just a machine, and has already proven immune to that kind of reprogramming: http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/...otherone8wc.jpg
Kinda hard when he's not WEARING the ring, ain't it? http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1185/572batgl22nl.jpg
If Batman can snag his ring, a teleporter on the level of Spartan can do so EASILY. And once the ring is off, it's a simple matter to blast Kyle to dust with a bio-blast.
I've shown him teleporting someone's limbs off. I've shown him teleporting enough debris to cover a living room floor. What's so hard about believing he can't just materialize something in one's head? But, fine, there's still the fact that he can teleport Kyle and Shaman's arms off, or steal their weapons.
And besides, when he fought Thor he was being controlled, and not really using any of his powers very well, except for one blast at the beginning. In THIS fight, Black Bolt has his strongest defensive shield up, and is not holding back the voice. Your little constructs will get atomized.
Yeah, and she barely could manage it, and it took her powers almost to their limit. The BB in this fight is healthy, uninjured, at full strength and in full control of his own mind.
Uhh, not in shields, no. This is the chick who's protected a group of people from DOOM with the power of a fuggin Watcher, and then later protected them fromt he explosion when Black Bolt overloaded WatcherDoom's power storage unit (yes,the same one that easily stored the Watcher's full power).
Well, considering the fact that BB and Spartan can survive in space, and that BB can put create a field around Witchfire to let her survive in space, yes, they can. The nanosecond Spartan senses a nuclear reaction taking place, it's a simple matter to teleport his team out of range. But, since Kyle has been dead since this fight started thanks to Spartan, that won't be happening.
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Pfft. Why scream right at Cain when it's simple to obliterate the ground he's standing on? Since none of that crap you wanted to do in prep actually happened, he won't be flying anywhere.
Or, hey, why not just destroy his helmet, which is the least durable part of his costume (Dazzler at normal power has cut through it) and command Juggy to sleep, like BB did with his top tier telepath brother, Maximus? http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9375/ment9bn8gm.jpg
HA! I'd liek to know why you're under that impression. The Hulk has knocked Cain around. Hell, Nimrod knocked him the f*ck out. Black Bolt can easily effect Juggs, by taking out his helmet and then using his own version of telepathy to put Cain down. Like how he put Maximus to sleep (up above).
Yeah. Right. Oh, wait. The Daxamites that were never created because A) Kyle can't and B) Kyle will have been neutralized from the onset of this shindig by Spartan.
During prep I CAN make general shields, and having the wind spirit act a shield towards Juggernaut. I havent argued the SuperShaman in a while, so please get over it Plus the constructs where made the instant the battle started...
Why you do I care if you teleport the ring? http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j.../LastScan-4.jpg
Kyle doesnt need to be wearing it for it to work.
The rings auto shields, and intelligence wouldnt let that happen
Also: The ring can stay in contact with its wielder at distances of at least twenty light years. John Stewart ordered his ring to that distance when he contemplated suicide. The distraught Green Lantern thought the ring could not prevent mortal injury from that distance. [CO # 4]
Black Bolts strongest scream is likened to a nuke....thats nothing. Sorry but Black Bolts main offense is crap in this fight
GL does the same thing that IW did in the fight and he goes bye bye. Or think of it this way, the GL makes a construct around his head, vacuum less, and squeezes with spikes going inward.
Your whole team
And yet again none of your team can stand the blast of a Hydrogen Bomb the moment it goes off, all of your characters die. http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?...nv3135052wj.jpg
Lets put it this way, GL can be in the sun (and how many Hydrogen bombs is that I wonder....a whole hell of a lot)
Every time one Hydrogen Bomb Goes off I have another five to deal with shielding. Or I can have five spread out, targeted hydrogen bombs go off or one big concentrated one. The explosion is immediate. How many times are you gonna teleport away? you gonna BRF yourself
Overall
My tanker can fly, and he solos towards your characters. My characters (all Daxamites *I think I have proven that he can make lifelike constructs enough? vs Sarkus, when he was Jokerized and left the construct to wreak havok, the daxamites and Oblivion* ) make a bunch of H-Bombs, and away you go. Or I create a supernova and you blow up and go bye bye. Or I make constructs and fight you all....damn....so many options to be able to kick the crap outa your team
Hell we could have Shaman use his calming light on your team to make you not want to fight us, and then we H-Bomb you
Just wanted to make sure my teams stances where clear. I noticed that my posts can be confused to make you think that we are going one on one with Khells team or choosing a different method of attack with the Hydrogen bomb. So this post should hopefully clear that up.
To begin my team consists of Kyle Rayner, Shaman, and Juggernaut. One is like a god, one is a powerful magician, and one cannot be harmed through ANY physical force. Please compare to a cyborg, a inhuman, and some witch. My character being Kyle Rayner is a Green Lantern, a person with a ring so powerful it can do anything that he THINKS it can do. Period. A magician who can pull anything he wants from his pouch. Period. And a guy who can not be hurt, ever. Period.
Khells Team
My individual posts about Khells team members were to demonstrate that I could take his team one on one and with multiple strategies. Spartan could be taken out by multiple contructs, Black Bolts scream wouldnt make a difference, and Witchfire cant do anything without a head.
However
My teams strategy, which Khell cant really defend against is: The instant the battle starts Shaman teleports the flying Juggernaut into enemy territory.
Newjak can take it from there for him. For my part Kyle has INSTANTLY (just like he made the construct in the battle with Sarkus) made the Daxamites and together they each make two hydrogen atoms mixed with one helium atom. And KABOOM. Actually lets make it more interesting. Hydrogen and helium are estimated to make up roughly 80% and 20% of all the matter in the universe respectively. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe; helium is second. I could take a helium atom and mix it with two hydrogen atoms on your clothes. How are you gonna defend against that? Once the mixture happens, even if you teleport the atoms would STILL be on your body. Your characters have no defense against this type of attack, and cant stand up to the 4-5 megatons of force that I would be dispensing on your team.
If you so choose to teleport away from us in the first place lets notice the speed of my Daxamites: http://ollien.free.fr/BD/leg1b.jpg
I think anyone here can agree that Superman himself would be a problem for your team to handle. Now just imagine him with a Green Lantern ring. Any where you go I can go and make you go KABLOOM. H-Bombs are more than you can handle and you cant run away forever. All of my characters can teleport as well (besides Juggernaut of course), and the ring can pick up any energy trail that Black Bolt gives off. You teleport and we can ALWAYS find you.
But almost all this is null considering that once we teleport Juggernaut into your side of the turtle, and while Spartan does his long range recon (thats what you said right?) we H-Bomb your whole team (considering that 6 of my characters can H-Bomb you.) And since it IS on your clothes you will be dying.
So to cover in brief: You die. Checkmate. Resistance is futile.
OK let me tell you exactly what BB can and can not do to Cain.
First off let me tell you how Khell has BB taking Jugg's down. He has him removing his helmet then attacking Jugg's mind with TP attacks. First off let me say this as soon as he says BB is going to destroy the helmet you should know that it won't work. While it is possible to remove his helmet it isn't the easiest thing to destroy. Plus he does have a skull cap underneath the helmet
Of course even the fact it can be removed is moot because Cain has his shield up. Let me tell you guys some big secret Cain's helmet isn't getting taken off by BB with the shield up why because Jugg's has already taken Thor's Godforce Blast head on as shown and guess what there wasn't even a scratch to Cain or his helmet poitn voided. Plus the shields are momentum stealers (as shown with Thors hammer being thrown at him)
Secondly Khell believes that BB hanging with Hulk and Glads means that he will be able to take Juggs. Let me tell you something hanging Toe to Toe with someone is very different from beating someone. Especially when already shown that Thor has put a hurtin on BB already. What do we know about Juggs that he doesn't just hang with these guys physically he can actually beat them. After all as shown he has already manhandled and KOed Thor before. He once almost beat the Hulk to death.
So yeah what is it BB can do to Cain again Nothing. None of BB's attacks will hurt Cain but I bet Cain will be able to hurt and KO BB. Which after KOed BB is not going to have a head on his shoulders.
Just recap how this is going to play out. As stated Jugg is flying and Shaman is going to teleport Cain to your team. Afterwards since your team won't know Cain is coming he simply is going to go for the weaker person first (Witchfire) and give her one big headache. Before BB can stop him and basically destroy BB afterwards.
As well even if BB happens to spot him somehow BB can yell all he wants it isn't greater than Thor's attack and one key difference that BB's attack also lacks the msytical nature of Thor's so Cain is coming right through and simply repeat what happens above.
Uhh, is that even Kyle? That's some guy with circuitry in his leg. And, if they got him in that machine, that means he couldn't use his ring right off the bat. A split-second is all I need to blow your head off with a bioblast.
See, that's one of your problems. You cling WAY too hard to bios. Black Bolt's voice has shifted a continent. It's brought down indestructible barriers, and taken out top tier guys. It is FAR FAR stronger than any normal nuke. It takes out guys who would crack a GL's constructs like they were made of plaster.
Actually, Spartan can. He's got durability on par with Majestic, and a greater resistance to energy. Also, wanan see a nifty thing Black Bolt can do? He can slow downt he rate of explosions/implosions. Wanna see? http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/...mplosionpm5.jpg
So, not only can Spartan teleport them out of range, Black Bolt can slow down the nuclear reaction, allowing him to get away on his own (with Witchfire, of course)
A clairvoyant, teleporting cyborg, who's one of TWO people to actually beat Majestic in a hth fight. An inhuman who is the msot powerful of all. Hercules states that the Inhumans have power not dreamed of even on Olympus: http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.ph...09_hercules.jpg
And Black Bolt is the most powerful of all, like a "necessary god": http://img128.imagevenue.com/img.ph...d8_neverrrr.jpg
Oh, and Witchfire was intended to be a weapon to be used against The Goddess herself. So, my team isn't short on impressive crap that can be said about them.
Andint he next instant, Spartan teleports his bag off his hip, along with Kyle's ring, and blows them both away. Meanwhile, Black Bolt and Witchfire remove Juggy's helmet and take him down with their own versions of telepathy. And that's all that really needs to be said.
Don't have to. Matter manip used directly against the other team is against the rules. Durh.
I was gonna quote and respond to the rest of your post, but it's just redundant crap, and I'm sick of going round in circles.
Um why not? Freakin' DAZZLER has cut through his helmet, and with no powerups. I think Black Botl can find some way to remove it and his skullcap. A scream would obliterate them both.
And yet, Hulk has been able to effect Juggernaut numerous times, with his shield up. Sorry, you can't point to the one good showing and then ignore all the bad ones. Nimrod flat out smacked Juggy's helmet off his head. Hulk has made his punches felt when fighting Juggs. Dazzler has sliced his helmet off.
Uhh, when did I EVER say that? Not once did I have BB taking on Juggy in a slugfest, because that would be retarded. This whole time, my strategy has been about either keeping knocking out the shell under Jugg's feet, leaving him in space, teleporting him away repeatedly, thus neutralizing him as a threat, or usng TP against him.
Even if his attacks don't hurt Juggs, Black Bolt can still destroy the shell under his feet, and leave him drifting in space.
Actually, Juggs ISN'T flying, since you can't summon spirits to help you during prep. And since Blair just said that Shaman immediately teleported him in, this is regular Juggy with no enhancements. WHOOOPS.
Actually, I've heard people say that Cain is actually STRONGER against mystical attacks than normal ones. Fact is, Nimrod smacked Cain around and knocked him out with a nervous system attack. Black Bolt canknock Juggy's helmet off and knock him out with TP, or just leave him in space, where he can't fight anyone.
Okay. Judges/readers, my next post will just be me making a case for the two characters I control, so this isn't my last post.
If you notice, BW and newjak have posted no defense against his teleportation. No effort to stop what he can do before it happens. Because they know they can't.
Now, BW also talks about how his constructs are going to mess Spartan up. Well, good luck with that. See, Spartan has a damage soak and self-repair/healing ability that's close to Wolverine levels.
Now, these are all examples of earlier bodies. Each time spartan gets upgraded, he keeps all the capabilities of previous bodies, just with them either improved or new abilities added on. But, I don't expect anyone tot ake my word for it. So, I'll show a fight that hasn't been put in the Majestic respect thread yet. Spartan 3.0 vs Majestic. 3.0 is the shiny one, btw, and has been turned evil. http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...partan01fb9.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...partan02rd3.jpg
There you have it folks. One of THE ONLY TIMEs you'll see Majestic beaten, and Spartan did it with a gaping hole in his chest. Oh, and by the next issue, Spartan was completely repaired. See, to beat Spartan, tearing him up won't work. He'll just heal, and keep fighting while he does so. And, with his teleportation, you could rip off both arms, and he could still fight.
After being tortured by Ronan. who wants him to use his voice to assassinate someone, BB cries into the ground. On the other side of the planet, nearly a dozen volcanoes erupt, and a continent shakes: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/...ntmovingbe4.jpg
That is far more power than any nuke, and none of those showed a full scream, which BB would use here.
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(Have to divide this post in two, apparently. End Part 1)
In spite of what they say, summoning spirits is not allowed during prep. So, they being this fight with shields and nothing more.
They say that, as soon as the fight starts, Kyle will be making five Daxamite constructs, each with their own ring. What he's neglected to emntion is that doing so creates a huge strain on him. Not only does it make him weak, it would eventually kill him (and he'd only created FOUR this time): http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/...fire0225ui6.jpg
So, Kyle is going to waste a ton of power making these Daxamites and weaken himself to attack from Spartan. Then, when he dies, the Daxamites will disappear anyways, as BW himself admitted.
So, while Kyle is trying to create these Daxamites, Spartan will be f*cking him and Shaman up with teleportation attacks, which BW and newjak have done NOTHING to prove that they can prevent. So, the GL is taken out while he struggles to make Daxamites.
But, lets say he tries to create hydrogen bombs, which Kyle himself admitted takes tremendous effort. Well, using his reaction times, Spartan can simply teleport his team clear and THEN go about destroying Kyle.
To recap: their biggest hitter is either going to try to almost kill himself creating Daxamites, or try to create nuclear explosions, which takes tremendous effort. Meanwhile, Spartan is just going to teleport his arms off from miles away.
Shaman is going to teleport Juggy into our midst, leaving him open to attacks from BB and Witchfire, who can mind-f*ck him into submission or simply knock the shell out from under him, leaving him drifting in space. The nanosecond after he does that, Spartan will just teleport his pouch miles away, and teleort a rock into his brain.
If Kyle does manage to create some less complicated constructs, none of them will be prepared for the raw power BB can unleash with a scream. And none of them will deal the kind of damage it would take to destroy Spartan, when he can simply teleport clear of them.
Shaman is almost a non-issue. In the time it taks him to reach into a pouch for spell component, Spartan could have killed him three times over.
I have the advantage in tactics: Everything I wish to do, can be done with a spoken/screamed word, or a superspeed thought. Meanwhile, they're reaching into pouches to teleport team members, and struggling to create these massive displays of power, which takes time they don't have.
My scans have proven my characters can do what I claim, while BW posts Pre-crisis scans and scans of other GLs, which Digi himself has said can be used, but that doesn't mean anyone will believe them. Instead of using simple, smarter tactics, he posts these huge feats which blatantly show GL using every bit of will on one task, and taking a huge toll.
It's all down to who you think is faster. Spartan, who can teleport instantaneously, and BB who can match Gladiator; or Kyle, who can't do any of the things BW has claimed without huge strain, and Shaman, who thinks at typical human speed, and has to dig in his pouch before casting a spell.
That's all. This is the last big post from me, though I may be around later to refute any new posts the other team makes.
Sorry Khell can't use that bio to show what Spartan can do. Unless you give a scan stating that he has this power than no he doesn't. Remember that whole thing about which powers he has and which he doesn't and you said that it doesn't matter because you have scans showing it all well guess what the double edged sword is here for you. And don't give me the sacn of him telelporting someone out of the Van again all I can say is unless there is a scan of him describing this power than no he doesn't have it.
Like I said you don't have a way to do it with the shield up
Hulk has never fought cain with his shield up you see unless he states he has it on then he doesn't buddy you just can't assume he does. To my knowledge he has never fought Hulk with the shield up and since they have only met three times and I know about all them I guess he never did.
On another note Hulk has never effected Cain without the CELESTAIL TECH that Apoc gave him which your team doesn't have. The only other times they fought Cain almost killed him by beating him down. The other time was kind of even but just before Cain was about to break Hulk's neck he manages to flip Cain.
Cain then ponders if Hulk can understand that he is unbeatable and unhurtable then Xavier shows up in a car out of no where when Cain had lost his helmet. Looks like Hulk has a real good track record unless being powered up by something else he hasn't effected Cain at all.
Also about those bad showings actually you've only shown one and in Cain's bio Marvel even made it a point to say if Cain had his shield up he would have not been effected. It seems to me that one bad showing shouldn't take away all the good ones. I mean every character has their low moments.
But anyway pray tell what an attack on the nervous system is gonna do to someone whose been shown in cannon to move without organs and muscles. http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/237/mystic1yz6.jpg
One very important note about the scan above is that Cain was actually weakened when that happened so he was actually susceptable to pain at the time unlike now.
Since Juggs is flying and has his shield up he is gonna make BB fight him and there is nothing BB can do about it.
Whoops didn't we already address this it is a shield we summoned during prep just because it grants another ability doesn't make it illegal so yes it is during prep, Cain is flying, and 2/3s of your team are walking around without heads.
Actually no Cain's powers being magic in origin is normally more susceptable to mystical attacks than normal ones. Don't get me wrong just becuase something is mystical in nature doesn't mean it is the be all end all against Cain he does have a good resistance to it as well but anything lacking mystical power basically can't effect him at all.
I DID state the NEW spartan being immune right? All youve shown is a body of a cyborg that has already been destroyed. Until you can show that the newest body used is similary immune then the point of showing that scan over and over again is nulled.
One, yes that is Kyle, two he was tied up knocked out and the manhunters had him. Once he did get pissed off the ring obeyed his commands.
The ring itself wouldnt allow death to happen to the user. While I used John as an example it had nothing to do with John in that instance but with the rings protection system which the user cannot control.
When Black Bolts scream can be compared to a supernova, or the big bang....let me know
Teleportation of the users arm, yet again as you soo much choose to ignore is handled by the RING ITSELF. It wouldnt let it happen. Simple as that.
After teleporting juggs, shaman is useless in this fight. It all comes down to the fact that the ring wouldnt allow Kyles arm to be teleported off. You do know that the ring is an AI system faaaaaar more advanced than anything Spartan can hope to be.
Matter manip on your opponents yes...your clothes? no
Dude get your facts straight. He made SIX (exluding oblivion). Which all had their one shot comics, and a whole arc. By the time he started even noticing that they were causing him pain, it was almost towards the very end. He was still using his powers, and hell they had just finished fighting when that happened.
Lets make it clear.....THE RING....Would not....allow....that ....to....happen. Did I make that clear. BESIDES, if you realize my arm(s) would be matter yes? and you would be trying to manipulate it yes? so sorry but that tactic is BANNED. Shaman will have all working arms thank you very much.
he said it takes concentration.....if your trying to contain it
who said where gonna do that?
and which precrisis scan of GLs have I used? I really dont remember that one man....
I see two problems with some of your scans
One is Spartan's fight with Majestic. He was fighting ONE Superman + level character. I have 5 with gl rings to boot.
Also that you said Spartan had day to heal the whole in his chest which if it takes him a day to pull himself back together it still counts as a win.
Also we have countered your teleporting with our own teleportation AND with the fact that most of what your trying to do is matter manipulation on my team. Sorry but it cant happen. Hell even teleporting pieces of debris into there BODY (which the ring wouldnt allow by the way) is matter manipulation unto my team. So sorry but hell your whole entire teleportation strategy is nulled, banned, and sent packing home. Bye bye Khell.
Let me make this clear: MATTER MANIPULATION is banned. So sorry but all of your teleporting crap is nulled. You cant teleport any of my body off, and you can put debris in my head. Sorry.
Well I'm gonna list everything that has happened from Jugg's standpoint and a little bit from Shaman's.
Juggs does have his wind spirits because he is using them as a shield it just so happens he can fly with this shield as well and his personal shield as well.
Anyways feeling Witchfire's magic Shaman then teleports Cain over to them. After that Shaman really isn't important as stated 5 others will be there if anything should happen to him. Still though he will do his best to mess with anybody he can using his magic.
After Juggs is teleported around BB and Witchfire Juggs is first going to take out Witchfire by removing her head. Since he was teleported in they won't notice him which even if they do it doesn't matter. As shown before a guy named Wyre was able to hurt her and since KVD never posted her as having a shield she doesn't have one up. So it won't be hard to do because
Wyre<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< a flying Juggernaut.
Then it comes to BB Khell himself stated that BB going toe to toe with Juggs would be retarded on BBs side and then commenced this whole removing Jugg's helemt which as I've shown with the Shield up BB doesn't have the ability to remove the helmet adn Juggs is flying so BB has no way of not getting out of fist-o-cuffs with Cain sorry.
When Cain gets finished with Black Bolt as even Khell mentioned he won't last against Cain and we've shown that it is easy to beat BB by hitting his Tuning Fork, Cain will then go and help with Spartan if he needs to.
Thats about all there is to this part of the battle Blair wind has shown what the other side is going to look like I think we got it covered.
[Judges Vote]
Battle #4 was alot harder to vote for than #3 but I would have to give this to the L.O.C.O. They seem to have proved their points more definativly than Double K (or whatever KVD and Khellendros are calling themselves) They presented a variating front where they could act in a strong defensive way and at the same time be crushing forth with their offense. While Khells teleporting would prove a nuisence i don't think it would end the L.O.C.O.s outright like he tried to. I also wasn't especally convinced of Spartens teleporting abilities, some of the ways khell wanted to use him, like the shell brain effect didn't seem to click. I just think that the L.O.C.O.s came in with to many ways to attack that K.K. couldn't defend agenst them all.
KMC Community Forums
Jul 13th, 2006 05:09 PM
Your posts are getting more and more pathetic.
Plus the constructs where made the instant the battle started...
IW is nothing to GL. 
Hulk has never fought cain with his shield up you see unless he states he has it on then he doesn't buddy you just can't assume he does. To my knowledge he has never fought Hulk with the shield up and since they have only met three times and I know about all them I guess he never did.
