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then what is one of the greatest musicians ever? You obviously do hold the fact that hes a mental wreck against him, and they are not overrated, they're just skilled.. 50 cents overrated.. he wasnt with them for DSOTM because he was in a mental institute...


I told you I don't hold it against him, so you can either accept that or you can shut up about it, first of all. Don't be so ignorant as to overlook a reasonable response.

Furthermore, Hendrix is one of the greatest musicians ever, Prince is one of the greatest musicians ever, Syd Barrett formed a band and wrote some songs that people liked. So did many.

Oh, and yes Pink Floyd are overrated.

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Originally posted by ~Da Rev~
Pink Floyd wouldn't have been without Syd. Roger Waters would be creating buildings if it wasn't for him. And we wouldn't have a lot of bands these days without the Floyd. Many bands were influenced by Pink Floyd, and of course we have to give props to Syd and Roger for making one of the greatest and influential bands ever.


A) We don't have to give props to anyone we don't wish to give props to.

B) That's bullshit rationale, that whole "We wouldn't have today's bands if we didn't have Floyd/Zeppelin/The Beatles" etc. I'm not denying that they were influential, but if you do your research you'll see that many people form bands and then discover influences. Not the other way around.

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I dont care what you people have to say. He was a great musician and he will be missed. After Waters left Pink Floyd, when it was just Gilmour on the front, it was not the same. In fact, (IMO) The Division Bell is their worst CD. And I've always been a fan of The Piper (Pink Floyd's First). I know he hasn't done much, but a death is a death. If it was a relative that you had no idea existed died, you'd go to the funeral. So thats how i feel about Syd Barret's death. I cant say he will be missed, because he was insane so no one really knew what was going on. But if you can stand there and tell me that he had nothing to do with the way music is these days, then you can just go to hell.


I don't care that you don't care, it's not up to you. If you like his music, if you LOVE his music, that's fine, but putting him in the catagory of greatest musician is to put him with the likes of Hendrix. If you believe he is that good, then YOU can go to hell, because you know absolutely nothing. Second, he hasn't done much, exactly. So appreciate what he has done, wrote a couple of famous songs that a lot of people love. Big deal, so did Trent Reznor, he's not one of the greatest musicians ever.

Why are you now attempting to tell me what I would and wouldn't do if a relative died? There are a great many funerals I've avoided because I don't consider the people family. I put things in perspective, and so should you.

He has a lot less to do with music than you are proposing, that's a fact. You really love Pink Floyd, that's pretty and everything, but there's no massively prominent musicians today that can be pointed out to sound like, have the writing likenesses of, or holding the influence of Syd Barrett. Liking someone doesn't mean you're influenced by them.

If he didn't die, you'd not be saying all this. I've never seen you mention Barrett before, so in my eyes you're no different than the Cobain-bandwagonners.

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How DARE you say that Pink Floyd is overrated. That makes no sense whatsoever! Explain how they are overrated. I want 3 reasons


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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I told you I don't hold it against him, so you can either accept that or you can shut up about it, first of all. Don't be so ignorant as to overlook a reasonable response.

Furthermore, Hendrix is one of the greatest musicians ever, Prince is one of the greatest musicians ever, Syd Barrett formed a band and wrote some songs that people liked. So did many.

Oh, and yes Pink Floyd are overrated.



A) We don't have to give props to anyone we don't wish to give props to.

B) That's bullshit rationale, that whole "We wouldn't have today's bands if we didn't have Floyd/Zeppelin/The Beatles" etc. I'm not denying that they were influential, but if you do your research you'll see that many people form bands and then discover influences. Not the other way around.



I don't care that you don't care, it's not up to you. If you like his music, if you LOVE his music, that's fine, but putting him in the catagory of greatest musician is to put him with the likes of Hendrix. If you believe he is that good, then YOU can go to hell, because you know absolutely nothing. Second, he hasn't done much, exactly. So appreciate what he has done, wrote a couple of famous songs that a lot of people love. Big deal, so did Trent Reznor, he's not one of the greatest musicians ever.

Why are you now attempting to tell me what I would and wouldn't do if a relative died? There are a great many funerals I've avoided because I don't consider the people family. I put things in perspective, and so should you.

He has a lot less to do with music than you are proposing, that's a fact. You really love Pink Floyd, that's pretty and everything, but there's no massively prominent musicians today that can be pointed out to sound like, have the writing likenesses of, or holding the influence of Syd Barrett. Liking someone doesn't mean you're influenced by them.

If he didn't die, you'd not be saying all this. I've never seen you mention Barrett before, so in my eyes you're no different than the Cobain-bandwagonners.

-AC
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Well for one, it's individual members are overrated. Nick Mason and David Gilmour always get way too much credit, and then there's this thread.

Second, they are constantly hailed as one of the greatest bands ever, and they are just not. There aren't even in the top 10 best British bands ever, in my opinion (I know, how can I possibly say that?! Deal with it), but best ever? So laughable it could be a comedian's material.

Third, despite obviously being educated men, they're not as educated and intelligent as everyone thinks they are. The lyrics are remarkably basic when compared with how people are rating them, so is the music.

All things considered, I laugh at how upset you're getting.

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Originally posted by ~Da Rev~
laughing All right. No need to get all worked up.


Typical response from someone who didn't think before he posted. Second, I didn't, but then again, I'm not the one who told me to go to hell because I denied Pink Floyd the massively undeserved credit you're giving them.

Maybe you shouldn't get so worked up next time, junior.

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Typical response from someone who didn't think before he posted. Second, I didn't, but then again, I'm not the one who told me to go to hell because I denied Pink Floyd the massively undeserved credit you're giving them.

Maybe you shouldn't get so worked up next time, junior.

-AC
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I guess its the fact that you come into a thread obviuosly about the death of a respected (by us, at least) musicain, and all you want to do is tell us he wasn't all that great. Thanks, but no thanks.


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Then who the hell do you think are some of the greatest bands ever? WTF!?


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Originally posted by pinkfloydkor
Then who the hell do you think are some of the greatest bands ever? WTF!?
I'm going to side with AC on this one, there are MANY.....COUNTLESS number of bands that are better than pink floyd.


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Im not saying that Pink Floyd is the greatest band, sorry if it seemed like that, but there is no doubt that they are a great band and are not overrated. Mabey you dont like the music, but that doesnt mean they are not good. Anyway, lets end this argument. AC, if you dont like Syd, why are even posting in this thread? The title is RIP Syd Barrett


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Originally posted by pinkfloydkor
Then who the hell do you think are some of the greatest bands ever? WTF!?


It doesn't matter what bands I like, what matters is that they're not one of the greatest bands ever, since that's what we're discussing.

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Im not saying that Pink Floyd is the greatest band, sorry if it seemed like that, but there is no doubt that they are a great band and are not overrated. Mabey you dont like the music, but that doesnt mean they are not good.


I don't think they're anything special at all. I think they're a name that people think they have to drop in order to have credibility nowadays, that's it.

They're not overrated because I don't like the music, they are overrated because they are continually labelled as one of the greatest bands ever, one of the smartest and most influential bands ever, they're not. There are many bands I don't like that I don't think are overrated, overrating is specific and it applies to Pink Floyd.

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Floyd is Overrated,
But I disagree, Most overrated and named-dropped British band ever?
Beatles have that catagory all wrapped up...

But yea, lets not overstate his influence here guys...
Now my first reaction when I heard this was, He was in Floyd?? Really?
And I imagine thats most people's responses as well.


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Floyd is Overrated,
But I disagree, Most overrated and named-dropped British band ever?
Beatles have that catagory all wrapped up...

But yea, lets not overstate his influence here guys...
Now my first reaction when I heard this was, He was in Floyd?? Really?
And I imagine thats most people's responses as well.
Unless you're actually a fan of Pink Floyd, or have listened to their whole music career and not from DSOTM or The Wall. Those are just small points compared to their whole career.

But yeah, Beatles are way overrated. When people say that that is an influential band, thats when i get worked up into a tizzy like AC.


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Originally posted by ~Da Rev~
Unless you're actually a fan of Pink Floyd, or have listened to their whole music career and not from DSOTM or The Wall. Those are just small points compared to their whole career.


Thank you, those are complete opinions, and so are mine for that matter, but I can admit it


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Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Floyd is Overrated,
But I disagree, Most overrated and named-dropped British band ever?
Beatles have that catagory all wrapped up...

But yea, lets not overstate his influence here guys...
Now my first reaction when I heard this was, He was in Floyd?? Really?
And I imagine thats most people's responses as well.


At least with The Beatles they had some massive appeal and even if you disagree you can see why people get carried away. What did Pink Floyd do besides laser-beam (literally) people into thinking they were some epic musical epiphany?

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Unless you're actually a fan of Pink Floyd, or have listened to their whole music career and not from DSOTM or The Wall. Those are just small points compared to their whole career.


It doesn't matter, overrating isn't about opinion, it's about fact. There is specific criteria. I can prove that U2 are overrated, overrated doesn't mean shit...it means overrated. It has nothing to do with if you like them or not, you liking them doesn't mean they're not overrated, me disliking them doesn't mean they are. What does? The fact that they are overrated, and that's not an opinion.

Constantly referred to as one of the best bands ever in every sense? Yes, overrating.

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But yeah, Beatles are way overrated. When people say that that is an influential band, thats when i get worked up into a tizzy like AC.


You're the only one who believes I was worked up into a tizzy just because I replied, whilst also using the trademark smiley decoy. It's honestly not my fault you can't back it.

More so, The Beatles are influential, just nowhere near as much as people would say.

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At least with The Beatles they had some massive appeal and even if you disagree you can see why people get carried away. What did Pink Floyd do besides laser-beam (literally) people into thinking they were some epic musical epiphany?



It doesn't matter, overrating isn't about opinion, it's about fact. There is specific criteria. I can prove that U2 are overrated, overrated doesn't mean shit...it means overrated. It has nothing to do with if you like them or not, you liking them doesn't mean they're not overrated, me disliking them doesn't mean they are. What does? The fact that they are overrated, and that's not an opinion.

Constantly referred to as one of the best bands ever in every sense? Yes, overrating.



You're the only one who believes I was worked up into a tizzy just because I replied, whilst also using the trademark smiley decoy. It's honestly not my fault you can't back it.

More so, The Beatles are influential, just nowhere near as much as people would say.

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I Knew i should have ended that with a "stick out tongue"

And yes, U2 pisses me off. Just to go off into a tangent for no specific reason.

Wait, where did i talk about them being "overrated" confused


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Yeah I heard the news yesterday morning. It's really sad, considering he was a big influence for being part of Pink Floyd for less than 5 years. I like the participation he put into "Wish You Were Here." I think I'll have to lsiten to his part more carefully to hear what he did. He'll be sorely missed by so many people.

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ok people, much like when Dimebag died, keep the arguments about whether you liked the band in another thread, this is respecting the memory of Syd Barret not bitching about whether Pink Floyd are the best band blah blah blah. Bit of respect please.


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who cares if they're overrated or not if you like the music? embarrasment

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