And they may be written by people like you with clear and obvious bias that are long time members. Wikipedia cites it's sources, and citations are in there. Stop ignoring that.
And my 'beloved' Israel? The **** did you pull that from?
And wikipedia also may check their info according to what Israel says. So, no. It is not a reliable sourse.
You are trying to justify killing of hundreds inocent people and believe in every crap Israel says about terrorists hiding everywhere they bomb. That's where I pulled that from.
Six years ago they gave back land, look what happened. There is absolutely nothing Israel can do to appease any Islamic fundamentalist country in that region, therefore we see what we see now, war. It doesn't matter if Israel gives Lebanon 1/5 of its total land and gives Palestine 3/5's, Israel’s neighbors will then demand more, they simply want Israel gone.
You're just being silly. Just provoking more speech without trying to understand. I'm not responding to you.
__________________ I know what you're thinking punk. You're thinking: "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya punk?
So what are you saying? That after thousands of years of being beaten, enslaved, and just literaly being powerless, as history will show us, that the Jews should show mercy to an enemy that has, and will not, show mercy themselves?
I'm not saying what Israel is doing is right, but I am saying that no one should blame them for their actions. There are enemies that surround them at every twist and turn, and nothing behind them but the sea.
If Canada and Mexico were sworen enemies to the United States, I doubt I would see America doing anything different.
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Wrong, I'm afraid. Nice try on trying to seize the opportunity to undermine someone who doesn't want to talk to you, to strenghten your own position. Except in this case, it's not going to happen.
Translation: "*You* don't have a clue how to respond and are just provoking speech for the sake of argument." Your yes", "possibly", "congrats you have stumped one" in your previous post illustrates perfectly your inaptitude to respond intelligently and determination to provoke discussion that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The only one thing you've brought up again, about Israel getting poked, I've explained in my previous posts with you: Israel did the poking in this current conflict. I'm not wasting time with you, because as you've made clear with your hardass "I don't a give a flying f*ck how bad Israel's actions are" (which is the whole point of this debate), you won't consider anything that goes against you.
So, laters. Have a nice week.
I'll agree with the part about them being persecuted for 2 millenia, but this was done by the catholics in western europe. The holocaust was executed by western europeans. In the arab world, the jews were treated with respect and weren't shown any discrimination while we beat them and enslaved them. A lot of jews lived in the middle east along side the arabs before 1948. The arabs went off on one because they got a slap on the face. They were driven out of their homes by the same people who they've shown good tolerance to, all these years. That's why they are pissed off at the jews. They were driven out of their land by the same people they permitted to inhabit said land when it was theirs. Also, don't forget the fact that this was their territory only 60 years ago, which in itself is enough to generate ill will.
Well of course not, America is backing Israel to do all this. They are allies fighting a war on terror. Which leads me to believe that this latest anti-terror raid in London is just a scam to deter the public's eye away from the bad publicity Israel has been getting in the middle east crisis. Yesterday, we were told an Israei invasion was about to be initiated further into Lebanon, today I hear nothing about it in the news. The british intelligence services have come under some criticism lately, yesterday even. Normally, we only know of their failures never their successes. But somehow, today, we hear about their success accross the world with Bush out their almost instantanousely making a propaganda speech about his war on islamic fascists.
I'm not one for all those "biblical" and 9/11 conspiracy theories that have been circulating. But this is rather small scale and could have been executed easily. I'm not telling you not to believe it, just question it before absorbing it immediately.
__________________ I know what you're thinking punk. You're thinking: "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya punk?
this might be thought provocating but interesting nonetheless
i wanna make clear that this comes from JEWISH authors so no way someone will put me in the anti-semite corner for posting this.. also its just information, make of it whatever you want..
This week the Israeli writer, Barry Chamish, told of a meeting with Evelyn Rothschild's grandson, who abandoned the family to be a Mormon. Chamish said he learned that just seven families are enjoying the 'fruits of the war'. The grandson had said of the Rothschilds: 'They created Israel as their personal toy. It makes them richer and gives them more control. It's not going to be destroyed.'
The Rothschilds funded the early European settlers in Israel, manipulated events in Germany that led to the horrific treatment of Jewish people and others, and then used that as the excuse to reach their long-term goal - a Rothschild-stronghold in Palestine.
They called their plan 'Zionism'. This term is often used as a synonym for Jewish people when it is actually a political movement devised and promoted through the House of Rothschild and opposed by many Jews.
The Rothschilds exploited as their 'justification' to seize Palestine the claim in the Old Testament that the Jews were God's Chosen People and that 'He' had gifted them the land of what was once called Israel. That's it, no more debate required. 'God' has spoken, it's in the Old Testament, and so we're moving in.
As Golda Meir, another Israeli Prime Minister, said in Le Monde in 1971: 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.'
The invasion and subversion of an entire nation was based on texts in the Bible written by who knows who thousands of years ago after the Jewish captivity in ancient Babylon in what is now Iraq.
In fact, this nonsense is an historical fraud because the vast majority of Jewish people, those who call themselves 'Ashkenazi' Jews, have no connection to the land of Palestine/Israel at all, as courageous Jewish writers like Arthur Koestler have detailed. See his book The Thirteenth Tribe. The Ashkenazi come from a country once known as Khazaria in southern Russia and the Caucasus, not the land they have used the Biblical texts to lay claim to. (please log in to view the image)
Jews fall into two main groups, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic, who were once located in Spain and Portugal. Daniel Elazar at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs wrote that at the end of the 11th Century, 97% of Jews were Sephardic, but the ratio changed dramatically over the centuries and by 1931 Ashkenazi Jews accounted for nearly 92 per cent of world Jewry.
Today the Ashkenazim utterly dominate Israel society both in numbers and control. Jewish organizations like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) constantly target others for 'racism' when Israel is a strictly and fiercely hierarchical society based on race, even among the Jews. The Ashkenazi are at the top, of course, followed by the Sephardic, and, irony of irony, then come the Mizrahi Jews, who descend from the Jewish communities of the Middle East. At the bottom of the pile are the black Ethiopian Jews who have long complained of blatant racism. (please log in to view the image)
This article described one expression of this racist Israeli structure - income distribution:
'Israeli society is further fragmented by ethnic class and religious inequality. In general terms, Arab citizens are the lowest paid, and have seen a decline in their position over the period 1990 to 2001. Mizrahi Jews (Jews of African or Asian descent) have seen a small improvement, whilst Ashkenazi Jews (Jews of European or North American descent) are the highest paid, and have seen a 10 percent rise in their pay. In 2001, Ashkenazi Jews received on average one and a half times the income of Mizrahi Jews and twice that of Arabs.'
It is time that Zionist racism and apartheid was exposed to balance the endless claims of racism and 'anti-Semitism' that come the other way from organizations like the ADL and many others that have been set up to brand as racist anyone who challenges the Zionist agenda.
In truth, Ashkenazi Jews are not even a Semitic people - it is the Arabs and minority Jewish people who are the Semites. Not that it should matter what they are, the human body is just a potential vehicle for the Consciousness that we all are. But such labels are used by these people to suppress debate so we need to balance the propaganda.
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The lands of the Semitic peoples. Why aren't we told that being 'anti-Semitic' overwhelmingly means 'anti-Arab'??
So imagine if all this happened in your country. There you are peacefully getting on with your life and getting along well enough with the small numbers of Jewish people who live in your communities - just as the Palestinian people were. Then, American and European governments decree that your land, where your ancestors have lived for thousands of years, belongs to someone else and millions of Jewish people from all over the world descend upon your country.
Even worse, they don't want to just live among you - they want to take complete control of everything and turn you into serfs and slaves. How would you react? How would anyone react in the face of this?
The Palestinians were supposed to just lie down and accept this staggering injustice and if they didn't they were 'terrorists'. What the world seems to have forgotten, and they will certainly not be reminded by the mainstream media or even most of the 'alternative' media, is that it was through terrorism that Israel was imposed upon the incumbent Arab population.
theres a lot more to it but lets leave it there..
__________________ be the change you want to see in the world.
-Mahatma Gandhi-
realy israel is a terrorist state and its governement kills the plasten and lebanon peoples and its its dangerous on all the world and it is look like an infection in our life
You're transforming news agencies tweaks of photos into some big propaganda lie.
A photographer adds more smoke to his picture. So what? A teddy bear put inside the picture. So what?
You don't need to be Einstein to figure it was put there by the photograph. The better the picture, the better the money they get for them.
The destruction is real, the 1000 deaths are real. It's nothing new that news agencies tweak photos. Don't you think that Israel does its own propaganda, i.e. with its dodgy military IAF videos...? Of course there's *some* exageration, hardly a scoop.
Mark Twain ---> jew
__________________ I know what you're thinking punk. You're thinking: "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya punk?
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And what do you think should Israel do? They'll destroy Hezbollah, there'll appear other groups and then others. You can't make peace by violance. You think returning small piece of the land is enough to make peace after years of murders they commited? First they conquer lands, kill inocent people and know they wonder why everyone hate them and want peace. And to achieve it they kill more. Stupid strategy, don't you think? As I said, concessions is the only way.
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Aug 10th, 2006 12:06 PM
and its its dangerous on all the world and it is look like an infection in our life
