Do you realize how powerful Israel really is? We share technology with them, they have very very high tech weaponry and their army is highly trained.
If the middle east were to be taken and set on another planet Israel would be the super power. They also have nuclear capability and if worse comes to worse trust me they wouldnt hesitate to use it.
Israel has been fighting with its neighboring countries for thousands of years, war is a part of their life. Muslims constantly want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet because of conflicting religions. Israel has been very vigilant and resilient, they will not go down without a fight and I seriously doubt Syria and Iran want to tap what Israel is capable of.
Um....Isreal was formed in 1948. Thats when the fighting started. They don't openly have nukes and Isreal would be quite happy to see amyn Muslimd be wiped of the face of the earth.
Iran and Syrial would have no problem going to war. They have the upper hand. The US can't handle another conflict. Isreal would be in major trouble, despite your view that ISreal is magically a military superpower, even with US support.
Israel currently has the most poweful airforce in the world
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Maybe you should do your research before you spout, Israel could handle themselves with or without the help of the United States in that conflict.
Their air force is superior, their training is superior, their technology is superior, their tanks are superior, their navy is superior.
And I was talking Israel as a people Israelites have been fighting Muslims for thousands of years, this isnt new to them. Granted they wouldnt mind seeing Muslims wiped off the face of the earth, they've taken enough abuse from terrorist organizations over the years and organizations that hide behind governments. You push a country far enough and this is what you get.
Present-day Palestine was once Israel until it was conquered by the Romans.
While Iran and "Syrial" wouldn't have a problem going to war, Israel has the fifth most powerful military in the world. You put way to much faith in Iran/Syrial and too little in Israel.
Having a son in the military, this slightly concerns me. We've been Israel's babysitter ever since the state was created in 1948. If this escalates enough, the US will no doubt get involved.
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Not sure where you keep getting this "thousands of years". That implies a lot of years. Israelites, in the way you are defining them, have about 3,000 years on them, yes. But Islam's formation only began in the 7th century, and they certainly have not been warring with Israel for all that time.
Be careful on who you go about instructing to do research.
Isreal was a nation formed without the support of the Arab League in 1948, setting of the most destabilizng geo-political conflict in modern times. My bets lie with the United States, currently the only nation that I see that would throw a sizeabel lifeline to Isreal.
If Syria, and Iran become involed, Iraq is in the center of the lions den. The US will not be able to fight both. And support from more US frienfly counties in the region is unlikely. I doubt Egypt, Turkey, and Pakinstan will help, Saudia Ariabia either.
We would be talking extreme casualties for the US. and keep in mind, terroist don't operate under international law (kind of like Isreal is doing now). If a war sarts...I fear genocide in Isreal if the terrorists break through the borders. The state would not survive.
Israel designs and invents much of its own military technology. The United States is Israels largest trading partner, but its a two-way trading system. Although they arnt rich in natural resources they invent and manufacture many high tech devices, they are the world leader in software development. Although they do receive funding from the US their GDP in 2004 was $145 Billion and the funding received from the US goes down yearly.
All said, Israel has a strong economy and a very able and advanced military. Their Air Force alone is one to be reckoned with, as Hezbollah is finding out now.
During the 1990s the IAF upgraded most of its aircraft with advanced Israeli-made systems, improving the performances of the aircraft. In the 1990s the IAF also received the AH-64 Apache helicopter gunship and equipped its aircraft with the Rafael Python 4, Popeye and Darby advanced Israeli missiles.
In the new millennium, the IAF bought the F-15I Ra'am (Thunder) and the F-16I Sufa (Storm), two of the most advanced variants of the F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, manufactured specially for Israel according to the IAF requirements. The IAF has purchased 102 Sufa F-16I warplanes, the first planes arrived in April, 2004 (the IAF is the largest operator of F-16's after the US Air Force).
The IAF also purchased the advanced Israeli air-to-air missile Rafael Python 5, with full-sphere capability, considered among the best in its field. The IAF also purchased a special version of the Apache Longbow, marked "AH-64DI" and known as "Saraf". During 2005 the Israeli Air Force received special "Gulfstream V" jets (known as "Nachshon"), modified with the newest and most advanced intelligence systems in the world, all made by Israeli Military Industries.
All in all, its a war that no one except for maybe Iran wants to get involved in, they will find themselves in a very devestating war.
U.S. money also goes into Israel's domestic arms R&D.
Most U.S. loans to Israel are eventually forgiven. Between '94 and '98 alone Israel received $29 billion in forgiven loans.
And Israel has received over $90 billion in aid from the U.S. since it's conception, which doesn't take into account a lot of military aid and waived loans.
Yes, Israel has always been entirely self-sufficient and would be where it is today without aid from the U.S.
glenn beck? the guy who routinely outcoulters coulter?
__________________ Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?
Laws are only effective if they are acknowledged and since we can both agree terrorists don't acknowledge them they are pretty useless. They do nothing but serve to tie Israel's hands and allow terrorists to essentially function without effective ways to stop them.
Israel decided that for it to secure a safe northern border and protect its citizens they had to stop the terrorists.
If a war starts? It's already started, and believe me Israel wouldn't have come out swinging if they didn't think they were going to win regardless of Iran and Syria. They already know the Hamas and Hezbollah are supported by those countries as it stands now.
Last edited by Soleran on Jul 16th, 2006 at 01:32 PM
So governments should just ignore the law too obviously. How does breaking the Fourth Geneva Convention help to fight terrorists...
So uberlogically they attack Lebanese civilian infrastructure.
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