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Bardiel13
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Originally posted by Nellinator
Wow, nice avoidance tactic... That's not even a long paragraph. If that's too much for you I fear for your literacy and your future.

Second, I have been to Wacken and plan on attending in the future. I know exactly what it is like, thanks for playing that game.

Third, I'm starting to realize something you've probably never considered. European metal scene vs. American metal scene. If your European this will make a lot more sense, but mainstream metal in North America loves Korn, Metallica and Pantera, elitism hates it. And guess where the majority of metalheads and album sales are? North America.


So, you've established your attendance to Wacken Open Air. But have you expressed your love of Korn to your fellow metal junkies?
When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter. If you consider Korn metal, because they have the word "metal" in their genre, more power to you. I'm tired of arguing, to be honest. The battle over music classification will most likely rage on forever. I find most of us would be happier if we simply didn't paticipate and just go with the flow.
Next time you say how much metalheads love Korn, I'm going to just let it slide. Your taste is North American. Mine is European. We have established that the two worlds have different definitions of Metal.

Now, I pray this conversation has been laid to rest.


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You CAN'T just look at a band and say "no they are not metal" when they are.


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You CAN'T just look at a band and say "no they are not metal" when they are.


If you're using Korn as an example, I haven't seen much from them that constitute as metal, beyond "they are heavy." Perhaps, they've made a comeback and are composing more technical songs, because I haven't heard anything from their new album, so who knows?


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The album Life is Peachy is actually very technical and extremely weird. If you listen to it you will understand. Head was a very good guitarist and if you knew musical theory you would understand why it is decently technical. If you understood what atonal composition or what diminished fifth chords with a doubled octave or double diminished fifth chords were you would understand. You just used a typical Korn-hater attack that fails every time in a real debate. What Korn plays is much harder to compose or play than a lot of more extreme metal. Them being metal has nothing to do with them being heavy because there are a lot of metal bands that aren't heavy. On top of that all, metal is not even remotely defined by it's technicality. Black Sabbath's (ie. the first heavy metal band) guitarist Tommy Iommi was famous for single string riffs, doom metal is anti-virtuosity and most of the greatest guitar virtuoso's do not play metal at all.

Also note that Korn was metal enough to have influenced bands like Sepultura.

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Originally posted by Nellinator
The album Life is Peachy is actually very technical and extremely weird. If you listen to it you will understand. Head was a very good guitarist and if you knew musical theory you would understand why it is decently technical. If you understood what atonal composition or what diminished fifth chords with a doubled octave or double diminished fifth chords were you would understand. You just used a typical Korn-hater attack that fails every time in a real debate. What Korn plays is much harder to compose or play than a lot of more extreme metal. Them being metal has nothing to do with them being heavy because there are a lot of metal bands that aren't heavy. On top of that all, metal is not even remotely defined by it's technicality. Black Sabbath's (ie. the first heavy metal band) guitarist Tommy Iommi was famous for single string riffs, doom metal is anti-virtuosity and most of the greatest guitar virtuoso's do not play metal at all.

Also note that Korn was metal enough to have influenced bands like Sepultura.


I'm not debating the technicality of their past works or musical talent. Were they metal in their past albums? Sure enough. But, the question I am asking is "Are they still metal?" Because, from what I have heard in their recent works, they simply seem to sound like hard rock. I assume, you've gotten ahold of their newest release, which I have not heard anything from, so I ask you out of total ignorance of the sound of their new album: "Are they metal, again? Have they brought the metal back?"

Also, you say I just used a 'typical Korn-hater attack.' What was that? I don't hate Korn at all. I harbor no ill-will toward them or their music style. I would not boycott a band I liked if they toured with Korn. I don't know how many times I have to tell you people that just because I have European taste in metal, doesn't mean I'm some freakin kvlt kid from Norway.


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There newest album isn't very metal. I haven't heard it all, but is mostly rock and has introduced some industrial components. Some of it is still metal.

And you did associate technicality with metal in your previous post. If you didn't intend to, then you simply worded it wrong, but that was the implication. You also suggested that the only thing you've heard qualify them as metal was their heaviness (probably due to downtuning and a 7th string) but that was not why.

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There newest album isn't very metal. I haven't heard it all, but is mostly rock and has introduced some industrial components. Some of it is still metal.

And you did associate technicality with metal in your previous post. If you didn't intend to, then you simply worded it wrong, but that was the implication. You also suggested that the only thing you've heard qualify them as metal was their heaviness (probably due to downtuning and a 7th string) but that was not why.


When I said "they were heavy", I was saying that might be the only thing other people could use to identify Korn as metal. Sowe have established that Korn, today, isn't very metal.

Alright, then. Good game.


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Metallica

METALLICA man?!! eek! mad miffed devil
Have you ever tried to think about their albums,songs,lyrics?
I'm sure you don't even understand the message behind their songs.
You like it when you feel it ,sing it,get it.

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Bring Me The Horizon, Job For A Cowboy, The Red Chord...all those shitty metalcore, fringe bands.


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METALLICA man?!! eek! mad miffed devil
Have you ever tried to think about their albums,songs,lyrics?
I'm sure you don't even understand the message behind their songs.
You like it when you feel it ,sing it,get it.


Perhaps he was talking about post-Black Album Metallica?


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Either way, bit of a silly claim isn't it?

Metallica being the worst metal band ever, simply because they failed to repeat arguably the best metal album ever.

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I'd probably have to settle with some Nu Metal band called Saliva. I hate them.


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Either way, bit of a silly claim isn't it?

Metallica being the worst metal band ever, simply because they failed to repeat arguably the best metal album ever.

-AC
Black Album had too much rock to be the greatest metal album ever imo.

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Master of Puppets didn't, though.

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Master of Puppets didn't, though.

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If that's what you were referring to, then my comment is redacted.

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I don't think I have an answer to this question, oddly.


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I was going to say Europe, but then I reconsidered. The Final Countdown really is a cool song when you sing along to it thumb up Especially the little keyboard melody, heeheehee.


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