ok let's say he hits at half........no 25% of what he can lift.
let's say an equilvalent of 4000 lbs of force hits you in the face. that force is limited to about the area of a human fist..........chances are, it's going straight through your skull and out the other side.
Well if you want to disagree with facts thats up to you. By the way he cant take class 10 shots all day with a smile on his face but one or two shots won't KO him either.
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You seem to be forgetting that Cap not only has peak human durability, he also wears a special synthetic armor that's tough enough to impress Ironman...
i guess i can say spidey obliterates cap because he's beaten firelord, namor,titania etc?
i wish to refrain from calling things PIS or bad writing, because i hate when people use that card solely to dismiss an argument when they've ran out of options/argument, but there are indeed cases of this in almost every character's history. especially characters like cap who represent an idea supported by so many, are pretty popular, and don't neccessarily have the stats/ stated ability to contend with those he needs to to remain coorperating with people like the avengers/invaders, and many others.
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beast stated that he came within a hairsbreath of killing him.cap stated he knew he wasn't a killer and that's why he did it. that's a horrible example to use.
What would it take to prove to you that Cap can legitimately take punches from a class 10 like Spidey? Keep in mind that saying no amount of evidence would be sufficient to convince you would sound quite unreasonable on your part since we're talking about a medium that frequently features faster than light travel(impossible by "real world" science), advanced Martial Arts that feature instruction in things like telepathy and telekinesis(like Moondragon), and characters who can lift cars without them collapsing under their own weight...
And Cap coming within a hairs breath of death after three shots by Beast still counters your claim that he should be dead after one, so it's a perfect example.
but cap is potrayed as a human in the comics, there's a difference.
there isn't as much "evidence" as some would think. like i said he'd probably have more than most, because of the reasons i've already stated, but there don't represent the majority or average IMO.
besides that. there was only one scan posted and that was not a good example at all. cap implied that beast couldn't killed him. beast said he almost did.beast is not too close to spidey strength. not a good example at all.
Cap is portrayed as the pinnacle of human physical perfection in a medium in which regular humans who AREN'T the pinnacle of mental perfection can learn telepathy through martial arts. Regular humans in comics can pull off all kinds of stuff that no one in the real world can...
Dr. Druid= Human
Moondragon= Human
Karate Kid= Human
Dr. Strange= Human
Captain America= PEAK HUMAN
Can you think of name a single person in the real world who's been recognized as being peak human on every conceivable level and runs around in a special suit of synthetic chainmail letting stuff hit him to test his durability? If not, then what are you basing your argument on exactly aside from pure speculation?
And now that I'm thinking about it, isn't one of your favorite characters the Original Human Torch? Are you of the opinion that the guy who created the Human Torch isn't really able to create androids(despite his having done so) in a comic book since it doesn't go along with "real world" science?
Hey I'm up to the challenge. I'm currently sitting on over 4,000 scans of Cap doing various things that no human in our world could. If you think there's not that much evidence then go ahead and state what it'll take to convince you.
Cap said that Beast wasn't a killer, he didn't say that Beast's punches were insufficient to put him down. And you didn't ask for scans involving Spidey level strength, in the post I was responding to you were talking about someone who could lift about 5 tons. But if you'd like scans of Cap taking shots from guys on Spidey's strength level I have quite a few of them. How many do I need to post for you to concede the point?
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Give me a number so you can't back out later. And how about this, how about fot every scan I post of Cap taking a superhuman punch without getting KO'd, YOU post a scan of Cap getting KO'd by a punch from a non superhuman or one shotted by a superhuman on par with the one featured in my scan? It would definitely give us an indication as to whether or not his being able to do so would qualify as being in the majority of his showings...
And you didn't answer, are you of the opinion that the creator of the Human Torch isn't able to create androids in the world of comics?
i was answering that but my computer was accidently turned off.
people like the professor, ironfist, dr.strange etc are considered human in comics. but there are also things in comics, like magic or scifi tech that are accepted as realistic, even though that is not the case. they are no different from superhuman powers.
to do this, i'd have to do something like.........download every showing cap has every had and skim through to find things that support my argument( don't have a scanner and i don't have that many cap comics) i did that to make the hammond thread........it was hard work, even considering that jim hammond has far less showings. in the end, i didn't get too much out of it.i almost regret it.
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my indication that cap's higher end feats aren't consistent come from what i've seen from him......and it's not like i'm not a fan
You mean like synthetic chainmail of an unknown composition that impresses Ironman with its durability or a formula that completely alters the subject's bone structure and musculature and makes him the pinnacle of human perfection and able to accomplish feats that no one in the "real world" could?
Well I HAVE downloaded every showing Cap has ever had(hence the 4,000+ scans I'll soon be uploading for Cap's revamped respect thread) and I can tell you for a FACT that he's withstood superhuman punches far more often than he's been one shotted by them or been KO'd by a "human" opponents punch.
And if you don't have that many Cap comics, why are you so sure that his taking punches from class 10's are in the minority anyway? Here, just give me a number and I'll see what I can do...
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how about you post what you've got, since you have it all, and i study it religiously. if you do in fact turn out to be right, then i will openly admit my pre-concieved notion of cap's power level was in fact wrong and reconsider accordingly.
i'll refrain from picking feats apart BTW. i hate when someone does all the work and post all the proof to prove something while others just sit back and use tactical speech to "refute" it.
Half would only be necessary to determine consistency if he was successfully ko'd by less in the other half(and that's actually a rarity). I'm doubtful that Cap's even been hit by meta's in half his appearances, but I can guarantee that he hasn't been KO'd by punches from humans or one-shotted by superhumans in half. Here's a pretty reasonable compromise since you don't know the actual number necessary, you're something of a Cap fan but lack all of his appearances right? Well then you name(and preferably provide an issue number for) every "low showing" of Cap's durability that you can think of to indicate him being unable to withstand superhuman punches, and I'll post 5x that number in scans of his taking shots from superhuman foes. How's that sound?
And I'm holding off on posting everything I have because I want to keep my Photobucket and Imageshack accounts organized. I have 5 different respect threads in the works so I can't clutter my stuff up just to show Cap's durability.
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