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H. S. 6
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Originally posted by Soljer
Wait, so now 'bullet proof' means totally impervious? Go tell that to Kevlar.

And what is he going to do in close? How about...dodge spiderman's first punch, follow up with a body shot, slap his shield across spidey's face, and then hit him with a right hook. In ten seconds. Like he did in the scans I showed.


I'll admit that that fight is closer than I would expect it to be (in my opinion, closer than it should be.) After all, with Spider-Sense and far greater speed, should Cap really be landing those punches, or is it just making it for a good read? wink

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Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, and with his semi-bulletproof armor...so? Look at the hundreds of foes cap has tackled who were bulletproof. The shield is VERY superior to a bullet.


Not when both can be dodged easily.


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Originally posted by Apolloknight
Spider-man jumps around and dodges lasers and bullets in mid-air on a daily basis, you think he isn't going to be able to control himself when he jumps in this case.

And try not to apply simple physics to comics, Spiderman is far beyond that with is equilibrium. And Just because Capt does manage to get spidey in h2h doesnt equal a win for capt, spiderman has 7 freaking limbs moving at superhuman speeds 3 of which could kill cap with a simple stab through his torso or head.
so if physics don't count then "outside logic" is irrelivant to this comic book debate and we use comic books as a standard of evidence.. that being said.... cap's put spidey on the recieving end of an asskickin 3 times.. he can at least get 3 out of 10.


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Originally posted by H. S. 6
And what, while Spidey sits back and lets Cap hit him?

Okay, so let's say we do get in close. What is Cap going to do, exactly, assuming he'll be able to keep up with him? Punch him? But wait, the armor is bullet-proof. I suppose that's not going to work. Throw his shield at him? We all know what happens then.

Please tell me how Cap's going to "get the upper hand" before Spidey either A) lays him out, or B) webs him down.
well for one cap has more stopping power than a bullet, he's punched through solid steel doors and punched wolvie's admantium skull so hard he flew 15 feet back....

ALSO it's bullet proof cause it works on nano fiber technology.. it's still VERY vulnerable to pressure points...

the military has a jacket like this right now.. you can't crack it with a sledgehammer it just reverts the concussive force back out.. but you poke it with your finger and it leaves intdentations..

and finally cap's hits have already registered on spidey 100% of the time...


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Originally posted by jinzin
so if physics don't count then "outside logic" is irrelivant to this comic book debate and we use comic books as a standard of evidence.. that being said.... cap's put spidey on the recieving end of an asskickin 3 times.. he can at least get 3 out of 10.


These 3 out of 10... you're counting the Civil War fight and the most recent fight that Soljer posted?


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Originally posted by Soljer
Oh, and with his semi-bulletproof armor...so? Look at the hundreds of foes cap has tackled who were bulletproof. The shield is VERY superior to a bullet.
well if we're talking about the shield.. if cap threw that at spiderman without holding back and it connected..

that sheild has gone through an admantium coated ultron construct... it would go through spiderman just as well.


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cap does have some degree of superhuman durability though. I mean hell the guy's head as been used as a wrecking ball to drop an apartment building on his noggin.
That's not superhuman durability. That's a jobber aura.


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Originally posted by H. S. 6
These 3 out of 10... you're counting the Civil War fight and the most recent fight that Soljer posted?
yes.. to be honest I would have said that well before civil war happened though....


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well if we're talking about the shield.. if cap threw that at spiderman without holding back and it connected..

that sheild has gone through an admantium coated ultron construct... it would go through spiderman just as well.


Too bad it wouldn't connect.

In fact, that brings up an interesting point. What happens if Spidey were to hit Cap with his shield the same way he hit Daredevil and Vision in Civil War?


You see? There's too many ways for Cap to go down. erm


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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's not superhuman durability. That's a jobber aura.
so his feats don't count no expression


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so his feats don't count no expression


I think he meant the specific one about the apartment dropping on his head. wink


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Too bad it wouldn't connect.

In fact, that brings up an interesting point. What happens if Spidey were to hit Cap with his shield the same way he hit Daredevil and Vision in Civil War?


You see? There's too many ways for Cap to go down. erm
spiderman DID hit him with his shield.... confused


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Originally posted by H. S. 6
I think he meant the specific one about the apartment dropping on his head. wink
he didn't specify..


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Originally posted by H. S. 6
I think he meant the specific one about the apartment dropping on his head. wink
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Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman DID hit him with his shield.... confused


Yeah, and Cap's head wasn't taken off. So I guess it wouldn't cut through Spidey, huh?


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he didn't specify..


Um, he did. He quoted that exact line.


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Um, he did. He quoted that exact line.
he quoted a line that started out with "captain america has some degree of superhuman durability" he could have been talking about the specific feat OR the durability in general... he didn't specify... well until now.. but not when he first posted.


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he quoted a line that started out with "captain america has some degree of superhuman durability" he could have been talking about the specific feat OR the durability in general... he didn't specify... well until now.. but not when he first posted.


Meh, seemed pretty specific to me. stick out tongue


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Yeah, and Cap's head wasn't taken off. So I guess it wouldn't cut through Spidey, huh?
so spiderman knows how to use that sheild as well as cap does? What the f**k?

cap as flung that thing through alien aircraft, androids, and apache hellicopters, but at the same time taken out 4 hydra agents without leaving a scratch on them using it.. he we know that cap can use it to an uber effective degree... but it DOES seem to be "idiot proofed" incase other parties got a hold of it.


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so spiderman knows how to use that sheild as well as cap does? What the f**k?

cap as flung that thing through alien aircraft, androids, and apache hellicopters, but at the same time taken out 4 hydra agents without leaving a scratch on them using it.. he we know that cap can use it to an uber effective degree... but it DOES seem to be "idiot proofed" incase other parties got a hold of it.


I don't know how well Spidey needs to know how to use it when all he did was smack Cap upside the head with it. With Peter's strength, I think it'd be pretty easy to slice through Cap, if the shield is capable of the things you say it is. wink


EDIT: And as much as I'd like to continue this debate, I'm off to bed. Goodnight, everyone. stick out tongue


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