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Originally posted by A.J
Damn i forgot to vote, just let me vote we can have a clear winner.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
Ok, after reading and re-reading the entire battle 5 times to make sure I took all things into consideration and did not do a disservice to any and all parties invlolved, I have to give my vote to the Cosmic Cabalerros (Leo & Kahn).

The L.O.C.O.s put themselves in a major tactical bind with their initial plan by essentially trapping their team within Juggernaut during their prep, but due to the fact I actually have a working knowledge of all characters involved (and the rules), I was actually forced to disregard a majority of their initial plan because it revolved around a tactic I knew they could not perform. Juggernaut proved to be a huge liability in this battle. His abilities make it nigh impossible to power mesh or boost his attributes because his powers work essentially to negate any outside influences that do not supercede the protection Cytorrak provides. Unless it was a magic spell greater than Cytorrak's influence, Juggernaut would basically be immune to any form of matter manipulation or power augmentation, be it by friend or foe, and given that Thanos is the power limit, and I do not think Thanos, under his personal power (without any form of all powerful artifact), could use his matter manipulation powers to enlarge Juggernaut to 8 stories tall in lieu of overriding Juggs' Cytorrak granted abilities, that tactic goes right out the window.

The L.O.C.O.s then changed tactics (which was smart), but the new plan that Blair Wind adopted did not have any tangible on panel evidence for it to be used as a viable option. To claim that Shaman could infuse Kyle's GL Ring with magic in the same manner that Jade redirected the energies of the Starheart has no logical grounds. Besides the properties being completely different, there was no evidence shown that Jade could wield the powers of the Starheart indepently and/or offensively, if at all. There was also no evidence given that Shaman's telepathy was of such a great magnitude that it could overwhelm the Silver Surfer or Maxima under their normal powers, let alone enhanced with the protection of a GL Ring's Oan powers. Shaman's telepathy, while "mystical" in nature, is not a magic based attack or spell. It's similar to the telepathy that Stick (Daredevil's sensei) and/or Dr. Strange have (i.e. a greater level of awareness/extra sensory), and astral projection and or battling in astral form in itself was a banned tactic. I don't beleive Shaman or Kyle could teleport the rings off of the hands of the Caballeros either, as in their prep the Caballeros actually preprogrammed the rings to pemanently bond with the bearers hands.

The Cabalerros initial plan was not greatly deviated from and the consistency helped. They did have some holes in there argument as well:

-I don't believe they could harm Juggernaut aside from the sonic attacks, so a BFR or entrapment would be the only way to deal with him.
-I don't believe that they would be able to effect the air within Juggernaut's shield to make it toxic to Kyle and Shaman (had their team actually been able to enlarge Juggernaut, which they can't).
-I don't believe the memory download would be instantaneous for Maxima. Surfer is debatable because he does process things at light speed, but I do believe that this particular part of their plan would take more time (they did account for that by having Surfer erect a shield and reinforcing it, however).

Other than these and a few other holes (which were eventually covered), I beleive the Caballeros presented the better, and more coherrent, argument, which had more credible and substantial on panel support. B-Dub and newjak seemed to be on different pages for periods of time during the fight arguing points that the other had either abandoned or was not aware of being presented, and also, while you can argue extensions of a characters ability set and extrapolate possibile applications, it still has to at least be a reasonable extrapolation with some relevent on panel occurences as evidence to establish a working precedent. At least that is my personal criteria.

With all that taken into consideration:

my vote is for Leo and Kahn.