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you mean like the firefighters who went into the buidling who said they have put out fires before were explosives were set off to buildings who know what explosives sound like and swore they heard explosives going off in the builiding? I will take the word over firefighters experienced in those kinds of things over internet geeks who choose to ignore evidence.


Name the firefighters.

Again, it's amusing that these articles list names of firefighters that don't even exist. And those that do have their quotes completely twisted. Not one firefighter said he thought he heard explosions, the quote was, "It sounded like explosions were going off all around us."

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I have to purchase some video on this? You'd think that this would be all out if it were true, it would be free. Michael Moore's video is a bunch of Lib propaganda, just like 90% of the crap people put out today. I love your emphasizing on me living in a "fantasy world" is wonderful. So your saying explosives were what brought the Tower down? I guess you didn't see the videos/pictures of Airplanes crashing into the buildings? It is impossible for a building to fall from the TOP THEN DOWN if there were explosives in the bottom, the building collapsed upon itself as there was a giant hole in it, and nothing left to support it, things would be explodingwith a Fire going through many parts of the building. If i'm not worth the effort to explain to, why did you bother to type out such a long list of crap?

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Name the firefighters.

Again, it's amusing that these articles list names of firefighters that don't even exist. And those that do have their quotes completely twisted. Not one firefighter said he thought he heard explosions, the quote was, "It sounded like explosions were going off all around us."


how the hell am I suppose to NAME them,I dont know them personally. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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I have to purchase some video on this? You'd think that this would be all out if it were true, it would be free. Michael Moore's video is a bunch of Lib propaganda, just like 90% of the crap people put out today. I love your emphasizing on me living in a "fantasy world" is wonderful. So your saying explosives were what brought the Tower down? I guess you didn't see the videos/pictures of Airplanes crashing into the buildings? It is impossible for a building to fall from the TOP THEN DOWN if there were explosives in the bottom, the building collapsed upon itself as there was a giant hole in it, and nothing left to support it, things would be explodingwith a Fire going through many parts of the building. If i'm not worth the effort to explain to, why did you bother to type out such a long list of crap?


are you THAT ignorant in your beliefs? if you want to HEAR with your own ears then yeah you should purchase it.actually I think there is a place in my town where they give those tapes away fore free that i could probably find out about and get back to you but my experience with people like you is that they dont want to hear it and just ignore the evidence so it would be a watse of time I am sure. yes thats what brought it down because AGAIN the building SHOULD have toppled sideways but to prevent that from happening,the explosives were set off.listen for a change will you? not posting crap,just posting the truth hoping that you will stop living in this fantasy world and swallowing the governments bullcrap they shove down your throat.AGAIN fire doesnt melt steal,the only hole was the hole in the top of the building.the fire never burtn the metal like they say it did,wake up and smell the folgers and stop listening to the governments propaganda.and stop letting the government brainwash you that Michael moores video is propaganda.the only thing that is propoganda is the government and george bush. roll eyes (sarcastic) jesus christ you dont listen.


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Well technically what you just said was Propaganda, and I look at the Evidence, it doesn't convince me at all, and again, if this was true, it would be in the media so quickly and last there, and REAL experts would come on there and debate it

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There are roughly 200 "SMOKING GUNS" that prove 9/11 is an inside job, show me irrefutable points that counter these and I'll be convinced some guy in a cave planned all this.

Because all this nitpicking is ridicules, I can't even begin to name the benefits Bush and Dick gained from 9/11.


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how the hell am I suppose to NAME them,I dont know them personally. roll eyes (sarcastic)


You're stating "facts" based on quotes attributed to FDNY firefighters. Oh, but I'm sure you'll accept as "fact" any article that quotes "firefighters" as saying definitively that they heard bombs going off.

Names and station houses, please. This should be easy to provide if you indeed have facts.

Again, it's hilarious that the mostly British conspiracy theorists, who were nowhere near New York on September 11, know factually what happened that day, and their word is to be taken over hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses present at the site.

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You're stating "facts" based on quotes attributed to FDNY firefighters. Oh, but I'm sure you'll accept as "fact" any article that quotes "firefighters" as saying definitively that they heard bombs going off.

Names and station houses, please. This should be easy to provide if you indeed have facts.

Again, it's hilarious that the mostly British conspiracy theorists, who were nowhere near New York on September 11, know factually what happened that day, and their word is to be taken over hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses present at the site.
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Firefighter Edward Cachia independently reported:

[We] thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down…It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. (Dwyer, 2005)



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Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory provides additional insights:

When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ..I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.



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Fire Engineering magazine says the current investigation is "a half-baked farce." The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly that frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also says the steel from the site should be preserved so investigators can examine what caused the collapse. "Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happy Land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center," the editorial says. "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." Fire Engineering counted FDNY Deputy Chief Raymond Downey, the department's chief structural expert, among its senior advisers. Downey was killed in the Sept. 11 attack. John Jay College's fire engineering expert, Prof. Glenn Corbett, serves as the magazine's technical editor


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Well technically what you just said was Propaganda, and I look at the Evidence, it doesn't convince me at all, and again, if this was true, it would be in the media so quickly and last there, and REAL experts would come on there and debate it


REAL experts Have COME on and debated it. roll eyes (sarcastic) your living in denial then and dont want to face the music if you have been to alex jones website infowars.com and looked at his threads.dude you are forgetiing the government covers up the truth constantly,they NEVER televise what people actually say. roll eyes (sarcastic) The 9-11 case is like the warren commission investigation into the kennedy assassination,they distorted facts,they didnt want to hear witnesses who had a conflicting story that did not fit their official version.The media which is a tool for the government automatically propogated it acorss the whole nation that oswald did it and there was not a shread of evidence that supported their false claims.they destroyed evidence,same here with 9-11,they did not report anything that contradicted the official version and they ALSO destroyed evidence.


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The government knew it was going to happen, and did nothing. They used it like the adminstriation in '40 used Pearl Harbor to enter WWII, to rally Public Opinion.


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okay for the posters like LMM,Kharma dog , flamboyant4life and Darth Krieger who have their heads up their butts here is some information you need to come to grips with and stop living in fear by dismissing the truth.Steven jones a physicist at BYU did a scientific research that he conducted on materials that were recovered from the wolrd trade center which prove that inceniaries were used in the demolition.another professor named Judy -dont know her last name at another university did as well and came to the same conclusion and she was fired for spreading the truth about that-she knew she would but she feels the truth is more important than keeping her job so she spoke out.wow thats some free country we live in,cant present an opposing view to people about our government here in the states without getting fired.great country and great freedoms we have here.sickening actually.

Also as I pointed out on the conspiracy thread before it got closed,the NEW owner of world trade center 7 took out an insurance policy against terrorisem shortly before the attacks and received payments in the tune of 5 million dollars from the collapse of the building.amazing how he profited from it all.He also told the head fire chief to pull the building even though the buiding had not been hit.funny that that building wasnt hit yet it caught on fire.Silverstein should have been prosecuted to the full on this but wasnt.Also if you look at the photo,the building came down the exact same way the other two towers did.the two towers should NEVER have gone down like they did from the plane.they SHOULD have toppled over and hit other buildings according to independent investigaters.we ALSO know the government is lying about the buildings coming down the way they did because of the jet crash because according to the engineers who constructed the towers,it was built to withstand the crash from a plane in case that happened.They were all scratching thier heads because they said that was an impossiblity for it to come down like it did.so the people that have come on here in the past and said that it collapsed like it did unlike other buildings in the past that suffered far more serious damage to them when that point has been brought up,because a plane hit it are full of B.S.

Also the military in new york is constantly on protocal surveying that area of the city and ready constantly all the time for something like this because new york along with washington and the pentagon is the most heavily guarded by the military for these kind of circumstances.They normally are so prepared for this that a plane that strays too far off course that the military would be there within minutes to prevent this from happening.what should have happened that day and what NORMALLY would have happened in a crisis like that is the military jets would have been there within minutes to force the airliner down to prevent it from happening and if they did not listen they would then shoot it down.they are told to shoot down the plane if all else fails to force them down because its much better to lose th elives of the people on board the plane than it is for a tragedy like this to occur.The REASON this never happened though was because all the high ranking officials of the military in new york they were prepared to take off and stop it but they were ordered by Dick Cheney to stand down,to ignore it.thats what they have said.it makes sense why because I was always scracting my head myself wondeing why the miliatary would not be prepared for a landmark like the world trade center to be prepared and constantly on guard against that.

also if the government is not involved,WHY did a company called demolition team come in and remove all the evidence so quickly and have it flown off to china and told china to bury it? any police officer in new york will tell you, you NEVER remove the evidence in a crime scene like that.thankfully some independent researchers like Jones got pieces of it to discover it was indeed explosives that went off.

something else to keep in mind for the people I mentioned that have been so ignorant about all this is that in something like this if the government thinks that terrorists are attacking us,the secret servicemen know that their number one priority is to find the preident immediately and escort him to protection yet on that day when this happened,you can see in one of the videos,george bushs top aide comes to him while he is visiting a grade school in florida reading a book to some kids,the aide whispers in his ear about the terrorist attacks and Bush just non chalantly nods his head and tells him and the rest of the secret servicemen their protection for him is not needed and to leave which they do.The Bush proceeds to continue to read the book to the kids for the next 20 minutes or so not acting one bit shocked at all as though it was just another day at the office.well he obviously knew it was going to happen do he obviously didnt care,that would explain the non chalent nod he gave him.

it was an inside job by own govenment plain and simple.Bush cheny and others need to be tried for their treason.end of story.


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okay for the posters like LMM,Kharma dog , flamboyant4life and Darth Krieger who have their heads up their butts here is some information you need to come to grips with and stop living in fear by dismissing the truth.Steven jones a physicist at BYU did a scientific research that he conducted on materials that were recovered from the wolrd trade center which prove that inceniaries were used in the demolition.another professor named Judy -dont know her last name at another university did as well and came to the same conclusion and she was fired for spreading the truth about that-she knew she would but she feels the truth is more important than keeping her job so she spoke out.wow thats some free country we live in,cant present an opposing view to people about our government here in the states without getting fired.great country and great freedoms we have here.sickening actually.

Also as I pointed out on the conspiracy thread before it got closed,the NEW owner of world trade center 7 took out an insurance policy against terrorisem shortly before the attacks and received payments in the tune of 5 million dollars from the collapse of the building.amazing how he profited from it all.He also told the head fire chief to pull the building even though the buiding had not been hit.funny that that building wasnt hit yet it caught on fire.Silverstein should have been prosecuted to the full on this but wasnt.Also if you look at the photo,the building came down the exact same way the other two towers did.the two towers should NEVER have gone down like they did from the plane.they SHOULD have toppled over and hit other buildings according to independent investigaters.we ALSO know the government is lying about the buildings coming down the way they did because of the jet crash because according to the engineers who constructed the towers,it was built to withstand the crash from a plane in case that happened.They were all scratching thier heads because they said that was an impossiblity for it to come down like it did.so the people that have come on here in the past and said that it collapsed like it did unlike other buildings in the past that suffered far more serious damage to them when that point has been brought up,because a plane hit it are full of B.S.

Also the military in new york is constantly on protocal surveying that area of the city and ready constantly all the time for something like this because new york along with washington and the pentagon is the most heavily guarded by the military for these kind of circumstances.They normally are so prepared for this that a plane that strays too far off course that the military would be there within minutes to prevent this from happening.what should have happened that day and what NORMALLY would have happened in a crisis like that is the military jets would have been there within minutes to force the airliner down to prevent it from happening and if they did not listen they would then shoot it down.they are told to shoot down the plane if all else fails to force them down because its much better to lose th elives of the people on board the plane than it is for a tragedy like this to occur.The REASON this never happened though was because all the high ranking officials of the military in new york they were prepared to take off and stop it but they were ordered by Dick Cheney to stand down,to ignore it.thats what they have said.it makes sense why because I was always scracting my head myself wondeing why the miliatary would not be prepared for a landmark like the world trade center to be prepared and constantly on guard against that.

also if the government is not involved,WHY did a company called demolition team come in and remove all the evidence so quickly and have it flown off to china and told china to bury it? any police officer in new york will tell you, you NEVER remove the evidence in a crime scene like that.thankfully some independent researchers like Jones got pieces of it to discover it was indeed explosives that went off.

something else to keep in mind for the people I mentioned that have been so ignorant about all this is that in something like this if the government thinks that terrorists are attacking us,the secret servicemen know that their number one priority is to find the preident immediately and escort him to protection yet on that day when this happened,you can see in one of the videos,george bushs top aide comes to him while he is visiting a grade school in florida reading a book to some kids,the aide whispers in his ear about the terrorist attacks and Bush just non chalantly nods his head and tells him and the rest of the secret servicemen their protection for him is not needed and to leave which they do.The Bush proceeds to continue to read the book to the kids for the next 20 minutes or so not acting one bit shocked at all as though it was just another day at the office.well he obviously knew it was going to happen do he obviously didnt care,that would explain the non chalent nod he gave him.

it was an inside job by own govenment plain and simple.Bush cheny and others need to be tried for their treason.end of story.


Were you in New York to witness the destruction of the Twin Towers personally?

Were you in the building after the plane hit?

Were you involved in the clean up?

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[B]okay for the posters like LMM,Kharma dog , flamboyant4life and Darth Krieger who have their heads up their butts here is some information you need to come to grips with and stop living in fear by dismissing the truth.Steven jones a physicist at BYU did a scientific research that he conducted on materials that were recovered from the wolrd trade center which prove that inceniaries were used in the demolition.another professor named Judy -dont know her last name at another university did as well and came to the same conclusion and she was fired for spreading the truth about that-she knew she would but she feels the truth is more important than keeping her job so she spoke out.wow thats some free country we live in,cant present an opposing view to people about our government here in the states without getting fired.great country and great freedoms we have here.sickening actually.


It's funny how none of the sources ever have last names, or "wish to remain nameless"

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Also as I pointed out on the conspiracy thread before it got closed,the NEW owner of world trade center 7 took out an insurance policy against terrorisem shortly before the attacks and received payments in the tune of 5 million dollars from the collapse of the building.amazing how he profited from it all.He also told the head fire chief to pull the building even though the buiding had not been hit.funny that that building wasnt hit yet it caught on fire.Silverstein should have been prosecuted to the full on this but wasnt.


Actually, Silverstein owned all seven buildings in the complex. He was required to take out an insurance policy by the banks from which he took the loan.

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Also if you look at the photo,the building came down the exact same way the other two towers did.the two towers should NEVER have gone down like they did from the plane.they SHOULD have toppled over and hit other buildings according to independent investigaters.


Who are these "independent investigators?" The engineers who designed the towers have gone on public record stating that the towers were designed to pancake if they ever collapsed, precisely to avoid the toppling effect.

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we ALSO know the government is lying about the buildings coming down the way they did because of the jet crash because according to the engineers who constructed the towers,it was built to withstand the crash from a plane in case that happened.They were all scratching thier heads because they said that was an impossiblity for it to come down like it did.so the people that have come on here in the past and said that it collapsed like it did unlike other buildings in the past that suffered far more serious damage to them when that point has been brought up,because a plane hit it are full of B.S.


That is a complete fabrication. The towers were built to withstand the impact of a 737. The idea was that a pilot would be trying to avoid the buildings or cause as little destruction as possible. The engineers have also gone on record stating that they never imagined a plane flying at full speed crashing into the buildings.

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Also the military in new york is constantly on protocal surveying that area of the city and ready constantly all the time for something like this because new york along with washington and the pentagon is the most heavily guarded by the military for these kind of circumstances.They normally are so prepared for this that a plane that strays too far off course that the military would be there within minutes to prevent this from happening.what should have happened that day and what NORMALLY would have happened in a crisis like that is the military jets would have been there within minutes to force the airliner down to prevent it from happening and if they did not listen they would then shoot it down.they are told to shoot down the plane if all else fails to force them down because its much better to lose th elives of the people on board the plane than it is for a tragedy like this to occur.The REASON this never happened though was because all the high ranking officials of the military in new york they were prepared to take off and stop it but they were ordered by Dick Cheney to stand down,to ignore it.thats what they have said.it makes sense why because I was always scracting my head myself wondeing why the miliatary would not be prepared for a landmark like the world trade center to be prepared and constantly on guard against that.


Yet another complete fabrication. You obviously know nothing about New York City. New York, before 9/11, was nowhere near one of the most guarded cities by the US military.

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also if the government is not involved,WHY did a company called demolition team come in and remove all the evidence so quickly and have it flown off to china and told china to bury it? any police officer in new york will tell you, you NEVER remove the evidence in a crime scene like that.thankfully some independent researchers like Jones got pieces of it to discover it was indeed explosives that went off.


Another fabrication. The FBI worked side by side with the NYPD during the recovery effort and the following investigation. Jones is a liar.

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There is a site (More than one) that debunk the sites that attempt to debunk the official story given.


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It's funny how none of the sources ever have last names, or "wish to remain nameless"



Actually, Silverstein owned all seven buildings in the complex. He was required to take out an insurance policy by the banks from which he took the loan.



Who are these "independent investigators?" The engineers who designed the towers have gone on public record stating that the towers were designed to pancake if they ever collapsed, precisely to avoid the toppling effect.



That is a complete fabrication. The towers were built to withstand the impact of a 737. The idea was that a pilot would be trying to avoid the buildings or cause as little destruction as possible. The engineers have also gone on record stating that they never imagined a plane flying at full speed crashing into the buildings.



Yet another complete fabrication. You obviously know nothing about New York City. New York, before 9/11, was nowhere near one of the most guarded cities by the US military.



Another fabrication. The FBI worked side by side with the NYPD during the recovery effort and the following investigation. Jones is a liar.


they wish to be named nameless like the firefighters because they have been given death threats by people to shut up.

stop believing the lies of government officials.the people that designed it have gone on record saying it was built to withstand a plane crash.

knowing the disinformation you believe I seriously doubt he owned them all but so what? you asked for names I gave you names,that steven jones guy,the byu physicist who had access to it.I also listed that other professor who got fired for speaking the truth.that I will give you the name of later since her name escapes me now.

No the engineers have gone on record to say that they were built to withstand that and scrathing their heads over it.stop telling lies because your afraid of the truth.

no its the truth not a fabrication,you just want to believe the government lies.

The FBI is another corrupted organization along with the CIA,They have jusisdiction over something of this magnitude over policemen..You also dodged the issue that they covered up the evidence that it was sent off to china and ordered to be buried.AGAIN any policemen will tell you that in a crime scene like this,you want to keep the evidence to study it and look at it,not destroy it.damn your clueless about government.stop living in denial dude.

the only liars here are the 9-11 commission report.


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There is a site (More than one) that debunk the sites that attempt to debunk the official story given.


exactly.I dont get the information just from Jones.I get it from others as well.Its just Jones has the best material and is not a liar as people want to live in their fantasy world and believe.


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okay you want names other than jones?heres names,heres the name of that lady I said i would have that got fired from her job for speaking the truth.Judy wood was an assistant professor of mechanical engineering at clemson universtity till she got fired by the board for speaking the truth saying that the buildings could not have came down so quickly without explosives.David gabbard is an east coast education professor who said he is smart enough to know that fire from airplanes cant mel steel which is the governments explanation by the way.

then there is daniel orr,a princeton P.H.D and widely published retired economics chair at the university if illinios.He said he knew immediately when he saw on television the world trade centers collapse that it was explosives.Theres your names,now stop believeing the lies of the government and listen to the independent experts like them and stop defending the governemtns lies.the government has nothing but a horrible history of lying to the public about historic events here in the states and that hasnt stopped with this case either.disinformation is all they know how to spread.again if you ever did any research on The Bushs you would know they are an evil crime family and why they would want this to happen. oh by the way,YOU know nothing about new york,it sure as hell has always been the most guarded by the military before 9-11.stop fooling yourself and being so frightented by the truth. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Actually Mr.Parker, you expert on things in a country in which YOU DONT LIVE IN.
You didn't debunk his points.

You don't think that this man that supposedly "lives in a cave" could have funded and planned this? He fought the Russians with terror attacks with the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. He was part of of the family that owns the richest Saudi Oil company, and HE ALONE has BILLIONS of Dollars in his accounts. He could have funded and planned those attacks easily, and because we've been in a zone of safety for so long, we didn't have protection
What makes you think "we're afraid of the truth" the Libs ALWAYS try to make the President look bad, and if this was true again, it would be out there, the Media is not controlled by the Government, in fact, it's the opposite, the Media always reports on every screw up
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Actually Mr.Parker, you expert on things in a country in which YOU DONT LIVE IN.
You didn't debunk his points.

You don't think that this man that supposedly "lives in a cave" could have funded and planned this? He fought the Russians with terror attacks with the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. He was part of of the family that owns the richest Saudi Oil company, and HE ALONE has BILLIONS of Dollars in his accounts. He could have funded and planned those attacks easily, and because we've been in a zone of safety for so long, we didn't have protection
K? Thanks smile


What does MR.Parkers residence have to do with his facts? are you aware that a majority of new yorkers, don't believe the official story?


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