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200 Plus Smoking Guns Refuted

Darth kreiger has decided to refute the 200 plus smoking guns, can he succeed?


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First one!


1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

It was a training mission that happens I believe Monthly in case of Soviet/Chinese attack. It doesn't take 1000 Fighter Jets to shoot down a 767, and we did have a few Fighters up by the captured planes, I think personally they should have shot them down, but they wern't prepared for this. And to back this up "REDUCING the ammount of fighters" we still had a few left, and our Nation is never undefended, patrolling the coast would be useless, we just needed them by the Planes to shoot em down

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First one!


1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

It was a training mission that happens I believe Monthly in case of Soviet/Chinese attack. It doesn't take 1000 Fighter Jets to shoot down a 767, and we did have a few Fighters up by the captured planes, I think personally they should have shot them down, but they wern't prepared for this. And to back this up "REDUCING the ammount of fighters" we still had a few left, and our Nation is never undefended, patrolling the coast would be useless, we just needed them by the Planes to shoot em down


You have any proof it happens monthly, I mean you have to post irreuftable proof.
It was originally scheduled for september 10-14, seems fishy to me.


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NEXT ONE!

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

I'm going to have to go with the official statement that it was a Biowarfare exercise to begin with, as we have training missions going on weekly with all branches of the Military. They wern't taking risks, and this happened after the towers collapsed (the speech). They probably said to Evacuate, like all the other buildings in the area were, since the danger of another Plane, or the Trade Centers collapsing, parts falling down etc etc. You have to think of this in the moment it happened, they wouldn't sit back and say, "Well it's never happened before, so why should we worry?"

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NEXT ONE!

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

I'm going to have to go with the official statement that it was a Biowarfare exercise to begin with, as we have training missions going on weekly with all branches of the Military. They wern't taking risks, and this happened after the towers collapsed (the speech). They probably said to Evacuate, like all the other buildings in the area were, since the danger of another Plane, or the Trade Centers collapsing, parts falling down etc etc. You have to think of this in the moment it happened, they wouldn't sit back and say, "Well it's never happened before, so why should we worry?"


First one doesn't count, you have to debate them not just put your spin on things.


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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You have any proof it happens monthly, I mean you have to post irreuftable proof.
It was originally scheduled for september 10-14, seems fishy to me.


It's a guess, I don't know for certain, but it was Officially reported as training in the event of the Commies attacking, and training happens on a regular basis

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Try to tear apart the 2nd one please, going to go work on the Third

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It's a guess, I don't know for certain, but it was Officially reported as training in the event of the Commies attacking, and training happens on a regular basis



The training was scheduled for September 10-14.


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Try to tear apart the 2nd one please, going to go work on the Third


You haven't even properly explained the first one.


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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The training was scheduled for September 10-14, yet was rescheduled?



What? No, the training was Scheduled for that day, but we always keep several fighters stationed here in the Continental States, and there were a few up as soon as they figured out which ones were Hijacked, they had the ability to shoot the planes down but they didnt

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What? No, the training was Scheduled for that day, but we always keep several fighters stationed here in the Continental States, and there were a few up as soon as they figured out which ones were Hijacked, they had the ability to shoot the planes down but they didnt


Have you read this article from the toronto star?

http://www.911readingroom.org/bib/w...p?article_id=92

Let's not forget, for the first time in 50 years norad stood down?


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3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.


These Smoking Guns really like to have a Spin on them

Don't have anything to say on this Gun, more training missions

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Have you read this article from the toronto star?

http://www.911readingroom.org/bib/w...p?article_id=92

Let's not forget, for the first time in 50 years norad stood down?


"It was a scenario unlike any NORAD had trained for." Taken right from that link.

So that official report debunks the 3rd one, they didnt even know before the Towers were hit

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"It was a scenario unlike any NORAD had trained for." Taken right from that link



"The second one was: it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

Taken right from the link, and issued by president George W, Bush.


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"The second one was: If it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down. Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

The Decision = NORAD didn't shoot it down, it did not say who made the order, which obviously was to not do so

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"The second one was: If it looks like a plane is going to be used as a missile, shoot it down. Again, what a gutsy call. Unprecedented, that we may have to shoot down a civilian airliner to prevent a greater disaster. And that decision was made very quickly."

The Decision = NORAD didn't shoot it down, it did not say who
made the order, which obviously was to not do so

Yes, it does say who made the order, did you read the article

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As that crisis unfolded, NORAD set up a secure line so it could brief key officials and act on their decisions. Jellinek was listening as President George W. Bush made the order to drain the skies of commercial aircraft


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4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.


See other posts, are the next Guns the ones listed under Dick Cheney on page 2?

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Yes, it does say who made the order, did you read the article


Oh misread the text, that means he ordered the Planes Shot Down, he didn't say keep it up, that coverup would be pretty hard without those Planes wouldn't it?

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4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.


See other posts, are the next Guns the ones listed under Dick Cheney on page 2?


Yep, I knew it, your just gonna put your spin on things laughing


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Yep, I knew it, your just gonna put your spin on things laughing


My Spin? I said see other posts as 4 & 5 refer to 1 & 3?
How is that putting a Spin on things?

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