Describes their battle as "rocking the heavens and shaking the very firmament of the universe" (obvious hyperbole but still neat). Also info on how powerful Asteroth is:
"You cannot defeat me. I am a cosmic entity. No physical force you can deliver will make me more than pause. You cannot destroy this body, just as I cannot stop Asteroth on my own."
The Proemial gods were beings created at the dawn of the universe to balance different forces in it. Aegis and Tenebrous were two of them. When they realized their time was over, one of them called Diableri rejected his fate, and several others joined with him.
No, cows and pigs are not sentient. The only sentient beings currently known to science are humans (also various extinct species of protohumans like Cro - Magnons and Neanderthals).
Because I'm bored, I'm going to go off on some other shit.
Yes, the sentience debate is missing the point--one may or may not believe in a "soul", but everyone must believe in consciousness (experiential, cognitive, self-actualization... not that Marxist stuff). Almost all human beings experience consciousness in the same way. Most of us agree upon the terms of time that we have constructed. Seconds. Minutes. Hours. Days. Some might say that there are cultures that do not record time, which this true, but I think we can all agree that a minute in New York is just as long as a minute in a jungle in Sumatra.
Now then, animals, of course, such as cows, pigs, reptlies etc experience time much differently. Still however, they are sentient beings. For an animal like a snake, the temporal spectrum is much more compressed. In essence, their rate of experience is faster than ours--so fast there is little opportunity for a culture to grow. If the present is always a moving train and we're all passengers, then for a cobra, that train is traveling much faster, and there's not enough time for it to sit down in the dining car and think about its situation. Too many other concerns.
But while a cobra might not be self-aware in the same way I am, we are both capable of making decisions in our lives (sentience); I just have the privilege (or course) of having more things to decide on. When the decisions aren't so easy, that's when I start thinking... and typing panegyrics like this. I have the time to reflect, a prairie dog does not.
I know that I exist, some primates display self-actualizing behaviors as well, and we usually think of "animals" as sentient--but do you remember when you were in utero? I doubt it. It wasn't that you didn't have the ability to remember--that ability just wasn't developed yet. You were in a different level of awareness, and you were sentient though. You weren't conscious of it to your current degree, you were just a seed that had not sprouted. Dare I say, if your "life" ended then, it wouldn't concern you now. To go further off into it, spiritually some agree that when we die, we transcend this 'human consciousness experience' we are currently having now--as a culture, as human- we would still be 'evolving' our actualization in heaven or our afterlife. Much like the progression of going from the womb to adulthood. Research is going on to ensure not merely the advancement of science, but the furtherance of knowledge of human experience as well.
That, and such research could prove fruitful in developing penile extension devices so I can walk around like a horse, even if I can't experience the world like one.
Bang.
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Sentience is the ability to sense. It is separate from, and not dependent on aspects of consciousness. Whether your processes are instinctive or not, you're still sentient.
Sapience would be the better term that you're talking about. As in making judgments and all that. Humans are Sapient, bacteria isn't. look up Metacognition.
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Oh ya, forgot all about this little gem...
"The Last Galactus Story"
This happens 100 million years in the future. Not a What-If, not a different universe, just in the far future.
There are more, and better feats (like arranging millions of stars in a net shape), but this is about Galactus... so:
Galactus travels faster than light, and thought to his foe. (please log in to view the image)
The Watcher that let him get away, when he was being made.
Now, the Watcher was pretty damn powerful then (maybe too powerful), he has feats that put him even above Celestials, etc.
The story was never finished, but we do know for a fact, that Galactus beats him. We also know that their fight destroyed...
Meh, this is the evidence (explains Galactus's real role). (please log in to view the image)
Sentience is the capacity for basic consciousness — the ability to feel or perceive, not necessarily including the faculty of self-awareness. The word sentient is often confused with the word sapient, which can connotate knowledge, higher consciousness, or apperception. The root of the confusion is that the word conscious has a number of different meanings in English. (One can easily distinguish the two by looking at their Latin roots: sentire, "to feel"; and sapere, "to know".)
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When the darkness comes, keep an eye on the light no matter how far away it seems.
Galactus decimates a Watcher, when he was releasing his attack that took out three star systems (this was probably posted, but like I did, it was overlooked).
Middle part: (please log in to view the image)
Didn't Uatu say he was as powerful as Galactus?
Ha!
Oh, and thanks very much to all the people that have contributed to this thread.
Well, to correct you, nobody really claims that he was almost KOed to my information...the sheer fact that he got toppled is already a big enough feat.
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