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Ulic Qel-Droma vs. Darth Bane

Two masters of the Dark Side, Ulic and Bane confront each other in the Jedi Temple. They ignite their lightsabers as the earth trembles from their power. Who will win?


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I would have said Ulic before the Bane novel came out. Now, idk, Bane can collapse temples easily with the Force so it could probably go either way. But probably Revan. idk, though, it's close.


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If this is regular Bane in "path of destruction" I would say he wins, although with difficulty.

If it is Bane with the Orbalisk, (which increases his power in the darkside and defends against lightsaber blows), then I would go so far as to say Bane wins with relative ease.

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Now, idk, Bane can collapse temples easily with the Force


It wasn't collapsing a temple exactly. What happened was that he unleashed a blast of force energy (similar to Kun's, but it seems a lot larger) and tore apart the 20 story Rakatan temple. It nearly pulverized Kas'im's body into "pulpy liquid"


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If this is regular Bane in "path of destruction" I would say he wins, although with difficulty.

If it is Bane with the Orbalisk, (which increases his power in the darkside and defends against lightsaber blows), then I would go so far as to say Bane wins with relative ease.



It wasn't collapsing a temple exactly. What happened was that he unleashed a blast of force energy (similar to Kun's, but it seems a lot larger) and tore apart the 20 story Rakatan temple. It nearly pulverized Kas'im's body into "pulpy liquid"


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So who wins then?


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Bane..


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Bump.


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Good fight. They're probably about even.

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You think Bane is that close to Kun?


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As a duelist, yeah.

Kun's completely beyond either of them in power.

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Droma was Kun's equal in power when they fought - and then increased alongside him. I don't see a mass disparity.


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They were equally matched duelists. Nowhere is it said that they were equally strong in the Force. There's a reason that Ragnos made Kun the master and Qel-Droma the apprentice.

Kun had access to more dark side knowledge/material, was factually more powerful than Ulic Qel-Droma, and has much better feats to work with. IIRC, Kun also had a bit more time as the Dark Lord. I imagine they both grew tremendously, but Kun moreso by a noticeable margin at least.

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"After the Jedi retreat, Exar Kun arrives, and a dazzling clash of Jedi blades and sorcery begins."

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That doesn't happen in the comic, I believe. And don't you dismiss secondary sources that fail to align with the primary source?

Sorcery is more to do with mastery than power, anyway. Kun's more powerful - hence Ragnos made him the Master. It's that simple.

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The comic doesn't portray the entire fight - just some panels.

And no, I don't dismiss anything except a direct contradiction.

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The two fighting equally in a sorcery battle is blatant indication of parity with the Force.

Kun's slightly better overall, but there's definitely no vast difference like you're suggesting.


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Parity in combat-applicable Force power, not the strength of their connection in the Force. Sorcery doesn't indicate the latter.

As I said, there was a noticeable enough difference for Ragnos to give Kun mastery while Qel-Droma was given apprenticeship. From then on, though they both improved tremendously, the improvements would've been skewed in Kun's favor since he had access to more dark side material, spent longer mastering the dark side, and had a stronger connection to the Force to begin with. So the gap gets increasingly disparate over time.

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Considering they fought as equals, you have nothing to suggest there even was a gap.

Ragnos could have christened Kun because he had greater Force potential.


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The sorcery part is likely referring to Aleema and Kun's exchange. There's no indication either used sorcery, though I imagine it would have been quite a close match up anyway. And yeah, Ulic did improve after that duel and crafted his Talisman into a gauntlet, like Kun, indicating he has a grasp of Sith sorcery.


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The sorcery part is likely referring to Aleema and Kun's exchange.


I thought so.


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Considering they fought as equals, you have nothing to suggest there even was a gap.

Ragnos could have christened Kun because he had greater Force potential.


If Kun had more Force potential, he would've grown by a greater amount in the following years, which is my point anyways.

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