Homosexuality has been around for a LONG time... Take the Torah as an example, it states that homosexuality is a sin therefore telling us that homosexuality was around thousands of years ago and didn't recently just pop up.
The only reason divorce rates were lower is because divorce was looked down upon more so than now. I also highly doubt that homosexuality in one partner is a leading or even a major cause for divorce.
Exactly how would you stamp it out?
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No. No one is taught to be gay. It has nothing to do with absent fathers or oppressive mothers.
I said there was no gay gene. But I didn't say it wasn't genetic. From everything I've read, it has most to do with the fact that female bodies can produce both male and female children. The child is producing it's own hormones that react with the mothers hormones. And vice versa. This interacts with the childs genetic make-up. So, while there is no single gay gene, it's genes that turn on and off depending on the child's bodily development.
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People were socially constrained enough to think that staying together and being miserable, constantly fighting, and never having sex is better than accepting you're not meant to be together, parting ways in search of someone more suited.
Your response implies that you believe porn and child molestation are linked to homosexuality. That the latter is somehow dependent upon the former.
Ah, but I didn't say anything about teaching. Nurture is a much broader concept than just upbringing. It entails the complete environment during such an upbringing - Dietary, Emotional, Intellectual, Psychological, physical, etc. there are plenty of factors in nurture that could contribute to homosexuality that we may or may not be able to divine.
The evidence is to the contrary. While there were a few dysfunctional families, Families worked better back then than they do now. You're leaping to conclusions about the past. The evidence on the other hand is more favorable to the fact that marriage has only recently started disintigrating.
Yes, I do think that porn and child abuse are linked to homosexuality. I think that they are linked to a host of other societal ills as well. I don't think that they are the only factors, but they are prominent. They're rise in the past few decades corresponds nicely with the destruction of the family.
LOL... If you actually believe that porn makes people gay and that all child molesters are homosexual then you're delusional my friend. There is absolutely no connection between porn making people gay and most child molesters are not homosexual. Two facts.
As far as your religious utopia goes, that would be doomed from the start... For one, religion controlled or influenced governments lead to oppression, as seen by the theocracies of the pass and present. Religion can easily be used as a tool for corruption and besides, how would this work in America when we have "Freedom of Religion"? You could never choose one religion over another and having multiple religions influencing the government would lead to constant conflicts of interest.
Not sure what you mean by "Nature vs nurture"? You imply that straight people are made gay and that just isn't so.
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Oh how I long for the days when I could just tell my woman to get in the kitchen and cook me some eggs. And if she didn't, simple, just knock some sense into her. She can't leave me, where else is she going to get money. Oh, kids are acting up again better cane them.
Marriage is in decline because it's an outdated artificial social construct a piece of paper and a ceremony do not determine how much two people love each other. Divorce is rising because there are no social constraints to prevent people who are unhappy together from separating.
There is no link, you're a bigot and a fool.
I think you mean devise. Dietary? Are you ****ing kidding me? Because I ate mentos and breast milk, I'm gay? As for everything else, it was addressed by my last post. No one abused me, no one was overbearing, I was encouraged to play sports and compete, I had a father until long after I knew I was gay, there were no subliminal gay vibes sent my way, no one encouraged me to take ballet or singing lessons, I played with GI Joe figures. My brother, my father and my grandfather were all car enthusiasts that tried their best to get me to have some measure of interest in engines, racing and tough-guy attitudes and what kind of oil goes in which engine. But it didn't happen that way.
you people who think that kids were raised to be gay, knowingly or not, need to reconsider their own upbringing. Maybe you'd be gay if you could get anyone of either sex to sleep with you. As they say, "don't hate the player, hate the game".
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I understand you've bought into the whole, mom and dad, apple pie, sacrific ethic crap that was sold to teh American public back then, but the same familial issues existed back then. The only difference is that child and spouse abuse was less prosecuted. Women could vote, but they were a weak lobbying position at teh time. If you want to live in the past, I invite you to do so. But the rest of the world has decided to move on. If you'd like to join us, then fall in line with the reality of today. Screw this "wish we could go back to teh old days" crap. The past is over. You argue it's better? I argue it's irrelevent. If you want to go back to the days of 4 channels and adds about how wonderful cigarettes and alcohol are, then you're free to do so. Unplug your tv, the computer you spew this crap on, sit by the front dorr waiting on the milk man, wait for Lassie to come tell you Timmy is trapped in a well and tell your woman to get in the kitchen-bare foot and pregnant. But the rest of us will stay here in our high speed, 450 channel, HDTV, DVD-watching, microwavable, solar powerd world that we love.
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i didn't really play with GI Joe. I'm more a Cobra man myself. There were lot;s of rallies and book burnings in my GI Joe (Cobra) world. Duke and Snake Eyes trying to escape concentration camps and what-not. GI Joe was reduced to little more than Hogan's Heroes. But Cobra, they could get shit done.
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Fact, Porn alters brain chemistry. Not much of a stretch from there to think that it could lead to aberrant behavior. Not saying that all people who look at porn turn into monsters, but some do. In other words, Not all porn addicts are sexual deviants, but all sexual deviants are porn addicts. I think you're stretching it if you think there's no relation at all.
I didn't say diet caused it. I only pointed out that nurture involved more than what mommy and daddy teach you. Drugs alter brain chemistry too, who knows what effects things that mothers take have on children in the womb. There's plenty of possibilites for causes of homosexuality outside of genetics.
Did I say I wanted to live in a theocracy? I don't think so. What I did say is that the people that live under this democratic republic should be more religious. Read the speech I mentioned before you leap to conclusions.
And yes, the decline of marriage has a correlation with the increase of various aberrant behaviors. Can anyone prove cause and effect? No, that's true of most statistics. But my opinion that they, along with pornography, are related is just as intelligent as any of the opposing opinions I've read. Moreso more often than not.
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"Porn causes people to become gay."
"Porn causes aberrant behaviour."
"Porn can turn people into monsters."
"People who watch porn become sexual deviants."
So is one to surmise that to you gay people are monstrous sexual deviants prone to aberrant behaviour?
Your opinion is just the backward beliefs of a bigot.
In what sense? Any sexual arousal could be said to be altering ones brain chemistry - what is the difference seeing, say, a female engaged in a sexual act on a piece of film and seeing ones wife engaged in a sexual act in front of you?
Porn is a byproduct of sexual desire, both normal and deviant - not the other way round. A heterosexual watches heterosexual pornography due to a desire to fulfill a sexual need, a pedophile acquires child pornography for the same reason. Not the other way round, a normal person doesn't see child pornography and get turned, just like a heterosexual doesn't see gay pornography and become turned.
Pornography is an effect of sexuality, not a cause.
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I do believe he's saying pornography as a whole whether it's a man with a woman, a woman with a woman, a man with a man, or multiple combinations of the above, is the cause of homosexuality. Which is somewhere in my top 200 stupidest things I've heard this week. But since about 185 of those are things from JIA I think I can say it makes it into the top 20.
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