superman is to fast...to god damn fast actually. Considering Superman could take the battle to space, he would have an unlimited source for energy absorption from the sun.
superman blew out a star. Name one feat that Hulk has that comes close to comparing to that.
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The proof is in the pudding. The evidence I enter into submission is biased, but it should be. Marvel and DC have license to design, build and create any character they desire, each comic juggernaut has its champion. When crafting a hero truly representative of your company name, you don’t hold back.
In the comic book world, and lets be sure, it is another world, it is the playground where dreams are actually made into reality.
DC, and Marvel, are both able to utilize the best minds, and artists full of rampant unchecked limitless creativity, able to dream things borne of their wildest imaginings, untethered by anyone’s influence; it is expected of them to create the most powerful superhero they can fathom.
at the very least, they have carte blanche in improving old ideas, redesigning, rebuilding, and rebirthing their ultimate superhero. The rules to be applied should be playground rules, everything and anything children can conjure in a world where rules don’t apply, Super Hero’s created impervious to every single ability an opponent can imagine.
With all due respect if Marvel makes a hero, DC should by all rights be countering, and everyone knows they have, but they have done a piss poor job of it.
DC’s flagship hero is Superman, Marvel has Hulk, who may not be the ‘flagship’, but he is the strongest of any hero Marvel has.
And yeah, yeah legal this, baloney that, **** this Coke and Pepsi bullshit, and whatever’ to the ‘no comic crossovers’. Ask any Superman fan, DC would never allow Superman to be killed by Hulk, I guess everyone already unconsciously agrees that Hulk would win. Which is beside the point that DC has done a less than admirable job defending Superman against the argument of Hulk vs Superman.
Marvel and DC should get their heads out of their asses, admit they are grown children and best friends. And get to work creating animated movies where their champions battle to the death. They could do it, if it is about money, then there is no reason not to make this happen, people would pay to see Hulk and Superman fight. Just imagine dads taking kids to see ninety minutes of the worlds strongest titans battle, the new "Roman Gladiators" if you will, you don’t even need a story line, just the best fighting ever.
In my humble opinion, the Hulk would beat Superman hands down. I’ve heard the arguments; They have fought before, and Superman won. That was a fan voted victory, and it was how long ago? Superman never uses his full abilities, he is faster than the Hulk, he can regenerate using the earth’s sun, he is from Crypton, he could carry Hulk into space and suffocate him, and or throw him into the sun, etc so on and so forth. You think the hulk is just going to let Supe do that? I know when I get into an imaginary fight, I win every time, but in reality ‘Superfans’ the Hulk would be fighting Superman as he attempts to carry him out of the atmosphere, the Hulks power is his anger, and from what I’ve seen, he is usually pretty pissed when he fights.
Now, the proof I provide, are the very videos that DC and Marvel have put forth. I recommend everyone watch the five animated movies produced by both Marvel and DC, (DC seriously needs to push a little harder here) Marvel is clearly pouring more effort into building their guardian Hero than DC; Hey why not? Each camp has the opportunity to make their hero’s cooler, stronger, bigger, faster, more powerful. Marvel is doing exactly that.
No one is stopping DC from engaging in this. Marvel knows what it’s doing. and they’ve produced four animated movies in which Hulk is showcased whole or in part as unstoppable. Avengers One and Two, and recently, Hulk vs Wolverine and Thor. As biased as they may be, these four movies are Marvels open challenge to DC that Hulk is the most powerful superhero. In each one, Hulk is virtually unbeatable, if you haven’t seen them, do so, and then we’ll talk.
What has DC brought to the table? “Superman vs Doomsday” Superman almost dies fighting a creature which obviously is more than a little similar to Hulk.
Yes Superman exhibits super strength, he kicks some ass, and I really enjoy his little diatribe in the end where he says ‘he’s never let loose, and how he is always so careful’. but he still gets his ass beat to within inches of his life. Frankly DC put in a less than valiant effort showcasing Superman. Did they have to do such a crap job of it? DC, its like they held back, knowingly or not, it is clear when you watch all of the movies who is really letting their respective hero flex his abilities.
Anyone, after watching all five movies could agree that the Hulk would be more difficult to defeat than Doomsday. Undoubtedly, you can bicker and whine all you want, but Hulk beat the shit out of the entire S.H.I.E.L.D. organization, A fleet of Space aliens, Captain America, Iron Man, Ant Man, Thor (twice, thoroughly), Omega Red, Sabertooth, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, and Wolverine. The evidence is there, video verification provided by Marvel and DC of their Hero’s in action.
Arguably Marvel has clearly put more effort into this than DC, but who’s fault is that? DC has let Superman fans down in this respect, they have left their “Man of Steel” to flap limply in the wind.
These animated movies are perfect testing grounds between comic and live action movie. This is where the battle should be fought, even if they never actually fight each other, they can fight others and be showcased like never before.
I plead to DC, even if it means redoing the Doomsday battle, Superman needs revamping, as intelligent, honorable, and respectable as he is, pull out all the stops, seriously you’re letting your fans down.
wow. so your arguement is this: "hulk wins because i want him to!" by the way, the animated things aren't cannon, so they don't count. comic superman is many times more powerful than any animated version. sorry, it doesn't matter how much you don't like it, but hulk loses to superman, and badly.
cartoon superman/doomsday and superman from dos are fairly even, I can't think of one feat of superman from the bryen area that trumps the doomsday killing feat in the cartoon. that being said your right about catoons aren't cannon and the rest maybe but you have to give this newb creidit it's not like he went into the comic thread (or when there was still one) the hulk thread he went into the superman thread to say this. That takes stones
well, i suppose i should have said "current comic superman" cuz thats what i meant. but yeah, cartoon supes seems to be right around bryen area. as said before though, i meant current supes.
Movie Version of Superman>>>Any cartoon, or movie version of Hulk
Comic Version of Superman>>>>>Comic Hulk
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Depends on your perspective. Some argue Hulk's ability to get stronger & increase his endurance over time, equalizes things against opponents who have advantages of flight, speed and energy projection to go along with strength & endurance; like Superman or Thor. Stan Lee seems to think so.
Superman could stay & the air and heat vision him for a long time, but he's probably thinks that's cruel, and so tries for a fast knockout instead, which plays to Hulk's strengths.
Then again, it's been argued Doomsday was a analogue stand-in for the Hulk at DC, and look how much success he had beating down Superman, with similar powers.
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You forget that on at least four occasions, Thor has killed Hulk outright.
(1)An issue of What If? (Snapped his neck in space; no hammer)
(2)Marvel Mangaverse (hammer through the head)
(3)Blown apart by Godforce blast (MC2 universe)
(4)Impaled on a rock during The Reigning storyline
( in which King Thor killed him & the Thing simultaneously - without the hammer, the Odinforce & using just one arm. )
The kind of editorial protection you say DC uses for Superman, goes for the Hulk too when it's against Thor. Only in What If? and stories that get retconned - Thor changes his past so The Reigning never happened - do things go beyond stalemate with Hulk vs. Thor.
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No contest...Superman wins against Hulk. Hulk fans seem to think Hulk has unlimited strength, that he'll continue to get stronger forever. There is no such thing as infinite anger. It's just that Hulk hasn't shown his anger limit. Since Hulk's power level is directly tied to his emotional state ie anger he has a limit.
I go by the comic feats. Compare the best modern Hulk feats against current Superman's feats and you'll see Superman will be the victor.
Superman...
-Able to move at 99% the speed of light
-Brain function and reaction time match that speed
-Super intelligence
-Super strength capable of moving planets, holding black holes. In the Infinite Crisis tie in issue Supes atomized a planet and shattered the boundries of space/time with the shockwaves of his blows when he was fighting Kal-L.
-Invunerability, survived the Maggedon warhead (capable of destroying half a galaxay). Survived a 700 light year blast while power depleted.
-Heat vision which is so hot it can't be measured, and we know the core temp of our sun is 45 million degrees
-Flash freeze opponents with freeze breath.
-If he needs more power he simply takes a sun bath.
What is Hulk going to do against a guy like that? While Hulk is cool, and he's hand some impressive feats he is simply not in the same league as Superman. Even Hulk's strength isn't on par with Supes.
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