Self contained Hurricane with less than a conscious thought. I'm assuming that this means before Ororo is even aware, her bond with the earth carries out her will.--"Less than a conscious thought".
When Storm first came into being, she was a very powerful as a mutant, but was easily bested by telepathy. While she could resist to a limited extent, a psi like the White Queen or Mesmero could easily best her. Hence in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Emma bested Storm, Wolverine and Colossus. After capturing the X-Men, she subjected Storm to mental torture and ripped through her mind. Ororo still tried to resist, but she was not strong enough.
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Upon the death of Jean Grey, Cyclops was changed. He left the team thus a new leader was required. Storm was appointed the role. This brought about major changes in the Storm character. She had misgivings at first, but she grew into the role and became much more confident and self-assured. Her willpower grew apace. One of the things CC did to establish this was her confrontation with the White Queen in Uncanny 151 and 152. I did not want to go into this earlier in this debate since it would have taken a lot of time to do so and I was feeling kind of lazy. lol. Anyway, there is more to this that my opponent on the interpretation of Uncanny 152 is seeing. Emma Frost's comment ot Ororo about her not being able to resist her TP came from the history of the two women during the Dark Phoenix Saga. Emma had ripped through Ororo's mind and tortured her. Emma was confident that she could kill Ororo in that fight. Storm banished or "killed" that storm in Uncanny 152. She stated how the storm will only be a memory by morning. Emma then stated that Ororo will be a memory as well and proceeded to mind attack her. In other words, Emma was going for the kill. She was not saying, "You will only be a memory tomorrow because I am going to give you a new personality and make you my servant." That interpretation is laughable at best. Keep in mind that the White Queen not only has a deep hatred for Ororo (which Storm definately returns in full if not greater measure), but she was very angry about losing the power to command the forces of nature. She prefered it greatly over mere telepathy. This was the first issue where we saw Storm best a psi. I believe that CC purposely used the White Queen to establish this since Emma is a much stronger character than Mesmero and was the first psi to truly best Ororo in the past. (Mesmero enslaved the entire team including a Phoenix-possessed Jean who was obviously a much stronger psi. Though the details of how he accomplished this feat was never revealed, he had to do it by surprise.) Emma was the perfect choice to reflect the change since what happened in the DP Saga was still afresh in everyone's mind. It gets people to take notice. Whether or not you agree with me that this is why CC used Emma, here is the second round in Uncanny 152: (please log in to view the image)
I'm not gonna say who I think would win because after all both women are powerful but I just have to say something about other people are saying about Jean's powers.
I’m not an expert or anything in but isn’t Jean’s powers are only telepathy and telekinesis without the Phoenix Force? Some of you I think are just overdoing her telekinetic power a little bit like this:
Jean: “Storm g’night”
Storm falls dead
Haha.
Even I gotta admit that’s funny but I don’t even think that’s how telekinetic works. What you’re describing is something along the line of a “thought projection” where whatever you’re thinking will happen in an instant (though I’m not really sure what the actual phrase for that kind of power). As far as I see from the scans that have been posted here, every time Jean uses her telekinetic powers she always, always gestures. Or if she uses her telepathy she always puts her hands on her head to concentrate (unless she has grown considerably much mower powerful over the length of time which is quite possible). As some people posted previously, Jean’s powers are also has to be in control otherwise who knows which mind would she be entering or shutting off. In order to shut off a person’s brain, doesn’t she need to focus a little to ensure that she’s not shutting off someone else’s instead? And with that focus comes latency even for a second. Even though she has that control over her telepathy and telekinetic powers she still need a little bit of focus otherwise that would be an entirely different power. I think that kind of power or strength of power (where she thought of something and that thought turned to action) only happened when she became the Phoenix Force.
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