lying? how so? if they spent 200 million and earned back 400 million that means not only did they earn back their investment of 200 but earned an additional 200 to equal 400. so technically it did double its money.
i never denied that WB rebooted supes or got rid of singer, in fact it's the whole basis of the point i was trying to make to you, that sequels aren't solely based on box office profits. you denying this plus ignoring the references i provided is juvenile.
i don't know why i have to keep informing you but singer is not in charge of the marketing or its budget. movie budget; marketing budget, two separate things. get it?
SR was a failure but not for reasons you are stating alone. i even posted the article link where WB stated the movie did well financially but felt it should had more, like half a billion, just like you claim.
as far as me defending singer, that's not the case and my dislike of singer is well documented in this forum and thread.
unlike you though i don't mind the truths about the movie, instead you just spread the usual troll of internet fanboy hyperbole.
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BB and SR were almost neck in neck in costs and returns, but the main reason BB sequel moved forward was that it received positive word of mouth. with SR the criticism got worse and worse as time passed and WB knew a sequel would under perform severely.
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I'm sure it would have been. But I remember hearing Singer saying the sequel will be a "Wrath of Khan" type sequel, and just thinking the guy deserves a slap for not doing that in the first place.
And I just didn't like the set up of that world. Superman with a son, Lois with someone else and Superman probably still crying about it. No chance of Lex Luthor being a big CEO or Presidential candidate. Really not the best side stories for Superman.
I'm surprised that we agree on something.
What you just said was an understatement of how terrible SR is.
I don't think Singer should allowed to direct any type of action film, He would be better suited for oxygen or lifetime channels for his emotional and dramatic approach to films. Not bashing the guy, I'm just reading his track record....and for the record all the x-men films were just plain sad.
I have no desire to watch Hugh Jackman in low cut jeans with his shirt off and why are X-Men in black leather?
X-2 was his best among the X-Men films. However, all films with the xception (yes, I know) of First class were really Wolverine movies. I hope he can buck the trend with his new one.
I can see why you hated it. It was heavy on Wolverine's erased past.
What disappointed me the most in this movie franchise were the lack of classic mutants in the present timeline. Why was Gambit in the 60s? Why was Emma Frost in the 60s when she was a classic villain? Heck, why was she in the Wolverine movie as a teen that occurred after First Class? Colossus was a waste. We didn't see Beast until the 3rd movie and Cyclops death was stupid.
I like First Class, but that's the only one I've really liked so far.
Between Singer leaning way too heavily on the gay analogies, the sub-standard action and the jostling between Halle Berry and everyone else for screen time, the first three kind of bug me, tbh.
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I also felt that they were two of the weakest scenes in the movie.
I understand that they were trying to do something different with Jonathan's death, but it really just wasn't very dramatic in the way it played out. In the old version, Jonathan's death showed Clark that there were very real limitations to his abilities - he literally could not save his father despite his great powers, he wasn't a god. It was more tragic and taught him something he would never forget. In the new version it was "well I could have saved him if nobody was watching." All those times on the school bus and oil rig where he did things in front of people, and then that happens.
The tentacle scene was well, just boring. Visually it isn't that interesting watching Superman messing about with some steel tentacles and too much CGI.
As for the rest of the movie, I might disagree with some aspects of the pacing, plot, & characterization, and the handling of the secret identity, but it was overall pretty good and I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Way better than Superman Returns.
While I miss the Superman of old (comics and movies) I think the movie was on the right track for DC.
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